Planet X | Niburu hoax

Floyd wrote:

mudra wrote:Planet X - Nibiru / Marduk - per Zecharia Sitchin

An Alternative to the Nibiru hypothesis


In my presentation I counter Sitchin's theory

Thats pretty easy for one

I present the science of this mechanism, as indeed is highly classified by the major powers,

Anyone can say that frankly and there is no evidence or reason to believe any information is being kept from anyone. Astronimical data cannot be concealed these days as I doubt its history can.

What Keith Hunter refers to as highly classified is the relation between strategic atomic explosions and planets configuration, a topic he develops in detail in some other of his videos and only mentions briefly in this one.

However this is a highly unusual video with a great northern accent.
Its over two hours long but I will listen to it in stages. I think I have seen it somewhere else on this forum.

I have posted it some months ago on some thread that I can't find anylonger . This is probably where you saw it.

Worth a listen though.

Its far too much for one sitting.

The good thing to come out of this, is the additinal debunking of Sitchen's nonsense.

But is it more nonsense?

Carol wrote:I happen to like Marshall Masters Floyd. And the primary reason many put information out about PX is based on their belief that it is real. So give them a break, why don't ya? Their sharing the information they have is not out of malice, yet instead something their doing because they feels a sense of duty to warn others - just as the weatherman gives the warning that a tornado is in the area. Besides, if it is there - we'll all know soon enough anyway.

Carol wrote:There is s distinct difference of "knowingly" spreading disinformaiton and just plain ignorance. Those who put information that they believe to be true are different then those who know the data is false.

Floyd wrote:More Niburu nonsense to consider for those worried about a non existent planet heading for earth.

If its a 'large body' you are looking for head down to your local MacDonalds and you will find plenty there.

Orbits and Gravity
Planet X is claimed to be on an orbit that brings it close to the Sun every 3600 years. Now, if we assume that this orbit obeys the laws of gravity, then we can calculate its distance at any given time. This depends on the math of gravity, which is pretty well understood.

However, the equations used to figure distance based on orbital velocity are not simple, but I used the method as described by Dr. Joseph Gallant, Assistant Professor of Physics at Kent State University, which allows for plug-and-chug solutions. I find that in one year, Planet X must be about 900 million kilometers away from the Earth, give or take a hundred million. This is much closer to Earth than Saturn, and just a bit farther than Jupiter!
[Note (added July 27, 2002): A small Oops here; when I did this calculation originally, I did it incorrectly, and got a distance too small by about a factor of two (I originally said 550 million kilometers). I have been more careful and got this new number.]

I have written up detailed notes on how I arrived at this figure: what assumptions I made and how I calculated it. They are on the "Planet X and Orbit Math page. There is a fair bit of math there, but hopefully I have made it clear what I did and why I did it.

So, Planet X was roughly the same distance to us a Saturn in May 2002, it should have been at least as bright as Saturn and getting brighter by the minute. Saturn is one of the brightest objects in the sky. We see nothing like this, so again I conclude Planet X does not exist.

Of course, Mr. Hazlewood claims that we do not understand gravity, but that's completely incorrect. We understand gravity well enough to calculate orbits for comets and asteroids and send probes to other planets. If Planet X doesn't obey the laws of gravity as we know them, then it's magic, and then he's wrong anyway.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html#orbits

1. We change the surdic formula {√Box}=√(2ax/(2a-x) into a form of {1/√Box}, because the derivative of d{√Box}/dx=(d(Box)/dx)/(2√Box)

√(2ax/2a-x)=√{(2ax)/2a-x)}.√2ax/√2ax=(2ax)/√(4a²x-2ax²)

Because the surdic quadratic form f(x)=4a²x-2ax² has derivative f'(x)=4a²-4ax , we rewrite the numerator (2ax) = -½(4a²-4ax) + 2a²

Since d{√(4a²x-2ax²)}/dx =½(4a²-4ax)/√(4a²x-2ax²), the integral equation then reads:

t(r) = ∫dr = -√(4a²r-2ar²)/√(2G[m+M]) (1/√(2G[m+M])∫2a²/√(4a²r-2ar²)dr

2. The second part of the integral engages the inverse trigonometric functions as integral solutions and we complete the square of the denominator to obtain a usable integrable form:
d{arcsin[x/a]}/dx=1/√(a²-x²)
from x=asiny with inverse y=arcsin(x/a) and dx/dy=acosy and (acosy)² (asiny)²=a² for dy/dx=1/acosy=1/√(a²-(asiny)²)=1/√(a²-x²)

2a²/√(4a²x-2ax²) = 2a²/√{2a(a²-[x-a]²)} = √(2a³)/√{(a²-[x-a]²}

The integral equation is now evaluated as a function of the arclength L of the orbit from Aphelion at L=½π radian or 90° (1 radian=180°/π) and where arcsin(90°)=arcsin(½π radians)= 1 to Perihelion at L=-½π radian or -90° and where arcsin(-90°)=arcsin(-½π radians)=-1 with respect to the arclength of |½π|+|-½π|=π radians as the semiorbit of Nibiru.
The integration limits from r=r_maximum=r_aphelion=2a-a(1-e)=a(e+1)=2a-1AU to r=r_minimum=r_perihelion=|-a+ae}=|a(e-1)|=a(1-e)=|-1AU|=1AU, for a |positive arclength 2π| now redefine the integral equation in:

t(r) = ∫dr = √(4a²r-2ar²)/√(2G[m M]) + {√(2a³)/√(2G[m+M])}{arcsin[(r-a)/a]} + Integration Constant C

Constant C is then taken at Perihelion as time t=0, say at December 21st, 2012 for r=a(e-1)=-1AU and defines:

C= √(4a³(1-e)-2a³(1-e)²)/√(2G[m+M]) - {√(2a³)/√(2G[m+M])}{arcsin[(a-ae-a)/a]}= {√(2a³[1-e²]/2G[m+M]) - √(2a³/(2G[m+M]){arcsin[-e]}=(1.808080x10¹⁰){0.092220+1.478445}=2.83989x10¹⁰

C=√(a³/G[m+M]).{√(1-e²)+{arcsin[e]} then calculates as {2.84x10¹⁰ seconds or 899.925 civil years} for the 'flat line' L=π pathlength approximation of Nibiru in 1800 civil years, stated as eccentricity e=0.99573864 and for G(m+M)~GM~1.3348x10²⁰m³/s²and a³~4.36367x10⁴⁰ meters and with arcsin[e]~84°52'25" or 0.471π~ 1.478445 radians and as the semi arclength joining Perihelion to Aphelion in 900 civil years as the integration constant yielding a: Total Time = Time at coordinate r + Initial Time with period T=2π√(a³/GM) from a³=GMT²/4π²for √(a³/GM)=T/2π~1.808080x10¹⁰ seconds for Nibiru's 3600 civil year period.


The completed integral equation so becomes:


t(r) = -√(4a²r-2ar²)/√(2G[m+M]) + √(a³/G[m+M]).{√(1-e²) + arcsin[(r-a)/a] + arcsin[e]}

For any given distance r of Nibiru from the Sun, the time t for this displacement can then be calculated.
We indicate the domain for x from -90° at Perihelion to +90° at Aphelion for a counterclockwise semiorbit from maximum Aphelion to minimum Perihelion with an intermediate value for r=a and so when Nibiru would be at a distance of its own orbital semimajor axis from the sun. This path then takes a combined semiperiod of 1800 years from Apehelion to Perihelion for the arcsin values of 90°=π/2 radians and -90°=-π/2 radians respectively. The value at 0°=0 radians then defines a timeframe within this 1800 year half cycle measured from Perihelion say, as the minimum time coordinate at t=0 for Perihelion at displacement r _perihelion=a(1-e), which requires the elliptical orbit to become circular for e=0 and a linear approximation as e approaches 1 in relation to the arclength travelled.
The mass m of Nibiru can be neglected in this formulation, because M+m=10³⁰+m with m much smaller than M.


a) r=a

t(r=a) = -√(4a³-2a³)/√(2GM]) + √(a³/GM){√(1-e²)+arcsin[0]+arcsin[e]}=-√(a³/GM){1-√(1-e²)-0-arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10¹⁰(1-√0.007984-1.4813..)=-1.8081x10¹⁰{-0.5707}~1.032x10¹⁰seconds or so 327.0 civil years into the future or past from the Perihelion. This would then describe a timeperiod of 2012-327=1685 and the 'Age of Newton, Kepler and Galileo' from the 15th century and following the classical period of the renaissance.
The semi latus rectum coordinates (±ae,b√(1-e²))=(3.5056x10¹³,2.9939x10¹¹) then give the ordinate (y-value) for the distance of Nibiru vertically and orthogonally to the central force focal center of the Sun. The hypotenuse of the formed right triangle then approximates the distance D of Nibiru from the Perihelion in D²=(ae)² b²(1-e²)=for D=√(1.2289x10²⁷ 8.963410²²)~3.5057x10¹³ and a value near r=a as the semimajor axis of Nibiru.

For D=v_{Nibiruaverage}t_Nibiru, t_Nibiru=D/v_{Nibiruaverage]}=3.5057x10¹³/1947~1.800x10¹⁰seconds or 570.4 civil years for a timemarker of the year in 2012-570=1442 and when the Renaissance began in the European 'Old World' and when the 'Age of Science' 'enlightened' the 'Dark Middle Ages' of superstition and ignorance with names like Michelangelo, Boticelli, Leonardo da Vinci and Christopher Columbus.

This marker also indicates the beginning of the 13th Mayan Longcount baktun ending on 13.0.0.0.0=4Ahau3Kankin as December 21st, 2012 - 144,000 days = September 18th, 1618 in 12.0.0.0.0=5Ahau13Zotz.

For a value of r=a/2 one calculates t(r=a/2) =-√{3a³/4GM} + √(a³/GM).{0.08935 arcsin[-½]+arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10¹⁰(√0.75-0.08935+0.5236-1.4813..)=-1.8081x10¹⁰{-0.1810}~3.273x10⁹ seconds or so 103.72 'civil' years into the future or past from Perihelion for an approximate dateline 2012-104=1908 and the start of World War 1 and the Industrial-Military conglomerations.
If Nibiru is destined to intersect the 1 AU scale in 2012, then Nibiru was 234.7/2=117.4 AU or so 17.6 billion kilometers from the Sun's position about 104 years ago.

b) r=r_perihelion=a(1-e)

t_perihelion(r=1AU)=t(r=a-ae) = -√(a³/GM){√(1-e²)} + √(a³/GM){√(1-e²)+arcsin[-e]+arcsin[e]}=-√(a³/GM){√(1-e²)-√(1-e²)-arcsin[e]-arcsin[e]}=0 as the zeropoint of calibration, chosen at the Perihelion and as required for the boundary-initial condition for the integral equation.
Remember, that the velocity of Nibiru changes in slowing down in the transversing of Aphelion and speeds up in the transversion of the Perihelion. So it takes longer to travel from Aphelion to the midpoint of the elliptical orbit as a quarter of the total path, then it does to travel from this midpoint to the Perihelion, namely at the r=a time coordinate of 327 civil years being shorter and as measured from Perihelion, than the 900-327=573 year interval from the Aphelion to the r=a time coordinate and nexus point.


c) r_aphelion=a(1+e)

t_aphelion(r=2a-1AU)=t(r=a+ae)=-√(a³/GM){√(1-e²)}-√(1-e²)-arcsin[e]-arcsin[e]}=-√(a³/GM){2arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10¹⁰(2.9626..)~-5.3567x10¹⁰ seconds or so 1697.5 civil years into the future or past from the Perihelion for a time setting of about 2012-1697.5=314.5 AD.

Should 2arcsin[e]=2[½π]=π for e=1; the arclength between Perihelion and Aphelion would be 2x½π radians for -1.8081x10¹⁰(π)~-5.680x10¹⁰seconds or 1800 years in the past or the future from Perihelion.

t(r=2AU)= -√(4a²r-2ar²)/√(2GM) √(a³/GM).{√(1-e²) arcsin[(r-a)/a]+arcsin[e]}=-1/√(2GM){√{4(1.2395x10²⁷)(3.0x10¹¹)-2(3.5206x10¹³)(9.0x10²²)}-(2.0889x10²⁰).(0.09222 arcsin[-0.991479] arcsin[e])}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.4874x10³⁹-6.3371x10³⁶) - (2.0889x10²⁰)(0.09222-1.44016 1.47845)}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.4811x10³⁹) - (2.0889x10²⁰)(0.1305)}~(3.8485x10¹⁹-2.7260x10¹⁹)/(1.6339x10¹⁰)~6.870x10⁸ seconds or 21.8 civil years.

This then shows, that Nibiru would have been at a distance approaching the orbit of Mars for a semimajor axis of 1.524 AU and at the distance of the Asteroid Belt (about 2.2-3.3 AU) about 22 years ago in the year 2012-22=1990 and would have approached ever closer to its Perihelion position from 1990 to 2012 in the displacement interval for Nibiru from 2 AU around 1990 and at 1 AU in 2012.



d) r_Mars=1.5AU or 2.25x10¹¹meters Intersection in approximately the year 1993

t(r=1.5 AU)= -√(4a²r-2ar²)/√(2GM) √(a³/GM).{√(1-e²) arcsin[(r-a)/a] arcsin[e]}=-1/√(2GM){√{4(1.2395x10²⁷)(2.25x10¹¹)-2(3.5206x10¹³)(5.0625x10²²)}-(2.0889x10²⁰).(0.09222 arcsin[-0.99361] arcsin[e])}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.1156x10³⁹-3.5646x10³⁶) - (2.0889x10²⁰)(0.09222-1.45769+1.47845)}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.1120x10³⁹) - (2.0889x10²⁰)(0.1130)}~(3.3347x10¹⁹-2.360x10¹⁹)/(1.6339x10¹⁰)~5.965x10⁸seconds or 18.9 civil years. So Nibiru would have intersected the orbit of Mars anno 1993, should it be at Perihelion in 2012.

Nibiru's Maximum speed near the Perihelion is so v_perihelion =42,138 m/s or 1.33x10¹²meters per year or 1.33x10¹²/1.5x10¹¹P=8.86 AU/year and Nibiru's Minimum speed at Aphelion is about v_aphelion = 90 m/s or 2.84x10⁹m/year or 2.84x10⁹/1.5x10¹¹=0.019 AU/year for a geometric mean speed of v_{Nibiruaverage}=√GM/a)=√{GM√(1-e²)/b}~1947 m/s as (√(8.86x0.019)~√(0.168)~0.41 AU/year or so 168,400 kilometres per day or 7016 kilometers per hour in the semiminor axis b=√{r_aphelion.r_perihelion)=a√(1-e²)=3.246430x10¹² meters.

As the speed near Perihelion would exceed the average speed of Nibiru, in a time from December 2011 to January 2012, Nibiru so would have been no farther away from Perihelion, than 0.41 AU, which is about half the orbit of Venus at 0.72 AU and near the orbit of Mercury at 0.39 AU. And for the June Solstice 2012 (with the Venus Transit 2012), Nibiru would have then been located about 0.2 AU from Perihelion, intersecting its highly unstable path in the orbit of the innermosts planet in the solar system in Mercury and Venus in gravitational perturbations. One could then mythologize Nibiru as the planet nearest the Sun, commonly called Vulcan.

Raven Lionheart

Floyd wrote:

Carol wrote:There is s distinct difference of "knowingly" spreading disinformaiton and just plain ignorance. Those who put information that they believe to be true are different then those who know the data is false.

Nevertheless, in the final analysis all information claiming the existence of Niburu is misinformation whether intentional or otherwise.


Also this does not alter the fact that Masters set up several businesses to profit from the fear spreading he was doing from his books and websites.

People are actually scared to death from listening to bullshit coming from the likes of him.

Sitchen has helped to misinform several generations with his totally erratic made up interpretations. Lieder is simply off her rocker. She actually suggested we kill our pets before the 2003 Pole Shift

In fact all the people mentioned in this thread have no credible evidence for the existence of such a planet but as usual its the authors and publishing houses that come of well from the doomism and fantasy.

Lieder, Sitchen, Masters and others who are selling the Niburu lie are all in the same boat. The evidence people cling to for its existence is generally appalling and often blatantly fraudulent.


When Niburu fails to turn up there will be something else conjured up to take its place. I can assure of that. The publishing houses will see to that. Not to mention unscrupulous profiteers. In fact I could probably invent something and have it go viral.

Whilst people are quivering staring at the skies waiting for non existent bodies in the firmament to visit us, it takes them further away from the very earth they stand on as the gaze outwards pointlessly.

There are other things to be getting along with than promoting this fraudulent Niburu nonsense.

gscraig wrote:Such sillines...And people are literally searching every corner of the internet to prove or disprove dead weight perspectives.

Raven wrote:[size=14]Shiloh has detailed some of the Nibiru coordinates, showing for example, that Nibiru would have entered the asteroid belt in the early 1990's and he has finetuned the integral equation. So I repost this here for anyone interested in the details about this 'infamous' planetary perturbation. From 2012, Nibiru could as well have become mythologized as the old planet Vulcan. Some 'you tube cosmologists' might have or will perhaps invent this in lieu of Nemesis, Wormwood, Nibiru or planet XYZ.


The Nibiru identification of 3600 years could very well be a created and fostered and 'appreciatedly tolerated New Age joke of deception' from the 'ptb' in using a concept of 'a second for a year' in the proportionality of 3600 seconds to the hour in a mimicry to the prophetic encoding of the 'day for a year' principle enciphered in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter 4. One might recall the reference in Ezekiel.1 to the 'chariots from the heavens' at the river Chebar, also often associated with the 'ancient Hindu flying machines' or vimanas and other such 'vessels from the skies', also used by the disinformers and 'artiste's de NABS' to mindconfuse their gullible audiences.


thubanis

Raven Lionheart