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    Re: The road to war

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    Re: The road to war

    Post  Carol on Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:51 am

    To understand President Trump one needs to understand how he thinks and where he is coming from. This is a man who wants global peace and for other countries to embrace their sovereignty. He is not interested in the US policing the world unless they are being paid to protect another country, nor is he a Warhawk interested in creating wars. However, he does believe in ruling from strength and realizes that when other countries see how strong the US is becoming will not choose to engage in a war.

    These days the economic wars are being fought on-line, via hacking and social media. I'm more concerned about HRC giving free access of her server to China FOR YEARS who fully exploited the information and also put their own chips into all electronics being shipped to the US. China is the real threat.. and China also believes in a strong military as does Russia. Yet China and Russia work together.. with the US repositioning itself from a position of weakness to a position of strength.

    The whole world is on the cusp of a major financial reset. Trumps goal, along with other countries is to get rid of the Central Banks that has put the whole world into a never ending spiraling debt system to a financial system based on a country's physical assets, not fake fiat $$$.

    Other countries are moving away from trading using the petro$ as the primary monetary system. China also happens to be in deep debt yet has managed to get all types of manufacturing located in their country along with gold. So they too are going through a major financial internal change.

    Trump's plan is to eliminate the illegal Federal Reserve and put the US assets back into US hands. One needs to understand that he is a patriot who loves his country and it's people. And when he has thousands of people coming from hundreds of miles to attend one of his rallies, you know he's doing something right. Over 100,000 people in Texas are already lined up to see him.

    This is a president that understands the needs of the people / legal citizens and is working tirelessly, without pay, to see that those needs are met.

    Even though Russia, China and the US do a lot of military posturing, it's unlikely to lead to war because none of them want that for their people. What they want instead is trade and prosperity.






    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjYSxc1_Ie4
    World Peace?, Deep State Losing Control Of Narrative - Episode 1695b

    Report date: 10.21.2018

    Former FBI says Rosenstein was not kidding when he wanted to record Trump. FBI admits using multiple spies in the Trump administration. Jude orders Mueller to prove that the companies were involved in election meddling. Khashogi a deep state operation to split the world and start a major event. Turkey ready to reveal all the evidence on Tuesday. Saudi's give Trump room to avoid take action against Saudi Arabia.  France and Germany are going to meet Russia to talk about peace in Syria. The deep state narrative is falling apart, world peace is starting to creep in and the deep state will do whatever it takes to stop it..


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    Re: The road to war

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:43 am

    Bob and Carol, what concerns me is the State of Technology throughout the World (and perhaps throughout the Solar System). What concerns me even more are the possibilities concerning Who and/or What Really Runs the World (and perhaps the Whole Solar System). What if the War Machines of All-Concerned are Not Controlled by the Individual-Players, but are rather Centrally-Controlled by Whoever and/or Whatever Really Runs the World (and perhaps the Whole Solar System)?? It sometimes seems to me that an Armageddon-Level War would've occurred a long-time ago if this were not the case, but that a Future Eschatological-Extermination might be the End of All of Us. 'RA' spoke of a plan to Detonate All Nukes Simultaneously (but didn't specify any details or involved parties, or even whether this was a hypothetical-scenario only). Another Individual of Interest (who might've been the same one) spoke of an Immanent-Extermination (but later spoke of 85% of Humanity Perishing). Yet another Individual of Interest (who might've been the same one) spoke to me in a Masonic-Cemetery of 85% of Humanity Perishing (randomly, and without regard to goodness or badness). Honest. I worry that One Weaponry Screw-Up by Accident and/or Design Could be the End of All of Us. I've speculated about a Hypothetical Supercomputer Artificial-Intelligence Management of Earth and Humanity (and perhaps the Whole Solar System) which might include Control of All WMD's. If this were even partially-true it might be what's keeping us alive presently, and what might End It All in futurity. I Truly Live a Life of Quiet-Desperation. The Horror. What Would Ted and Alice Say??


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    Post  Carol on Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:12 am

    Saudi-Israeli “axis of evil” being taken down by international alliance

    Benjamin Fulford – October 22, 2018

    The battle raging at the highest levels of world power is reaching a climax of sorts, with an ongoing operation to take down the governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia and end their control of the petrodollar system, multiple sources agree.  The so-called murder of Nazi Muslim Brotherhood agent and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey was staged to provide cover for this ongoing operation, the sources add.

    “This is all about the financial survival of certain countries (Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the bankrupt U.S. Corporation),” a CIA source explained.

    The overall story as told by CIA, Mossad, Japanese intelligence, and Pentagon sources is as follows:  Saudi Crown Prince and de facto head of state Mohammad bin Salman (MBS) was shot and killed in April and replaced with a body double.  The people controlling the body double then had their funds frozen in retaliation, with the Khashoggi incident as cover.  Now, the satanic Khazarian governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia are fighting for their lives.

    So the real reason all the big corporations and government ministers cancelled their planned visits to this week’s “Saudi Arabian Davos” investment forum is because the flow of money they were hoping would be poured in their direction has been cut off.

    “The global boycott of Saudi Arabia escalates, as Goldman Sachs is forced to stop sending Dina Powell and Germany’s Deutsche Bank, and Japanese banks MUFG and Mizuho join the party,” was how Pentagon sources described the situation.

    “This appears to be a plan to end the petrodollar, the Israeli-Saudi axis of evil, and the fountainhead of terrorism, as many things converge to collapse the old financial system so the new Quantum Financial System and Global Currency Reset can be launched,” the sources add.

    Confirmation of this can be found in reports that U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin cancelled his planned visit to the Saudi investment forum and will now instead visit Saudi Arabia to attend a “terrorist financing” meeting.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/us/politics/steven-mnuchin-saudi-arabia-khashoggi.html

    CIA sources also say “Khazarian war criminal Netanyahu is about to take the fall for something big that he is involved with.  The U.S. is pulling the plug.  Too much pressure is being put on Trump and others very close to him.”  We assume this will be Netanyahu’s involvement with the 9/11 and Fukushima mass murder terror attacks.

    We will get back to the Saudi Arabian troubles later in this report, but first we need to explain why the situation in Japan, North Korea, and China is the ultimate reason for the chaos in the Middle East.  Members of the cabinet of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Manchu royals both contacted the White Dragon Society (WDS) last week to explain what was really going on.  In essence, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), the central bank for central banks, was given strong warnings to cut off the Zionist/Satanic Rothschild family “or else,” the sources say.

    As a result, the control of the existing global financial system has changed hands.  The Manchu royals say the Rothschilds never controlled more than 8% of the world’s gold.  Now the Asian secret societies and the U.S. military-industrial complex have agreed to cut off the Zionists’ control of the financial system.  The West will, in exchange, be given approximately $40 trillion in gold-backed bonds to finance major projects to clean up the planet and create new ecosystems in desert, arctic, and oceanic dead zones, among other things, the sources say.  The U.S. military will be turned into a planetary protection force, a big improvement from its current status as enforcer for large Zionist-controlled corporations, they say.

    An early first step in this process will be an announcement later this week by Japan’s Abe and Chinese President Xi Jinping that the two nations will set up a major joint fund, according to an Abe cabinet source.  This fund will be dedicated to cleaning up the environment and dealing with aging societies and low birth rates, the source says.  The U.S. military government has agreed not to interfere with this activity, he adds.

    However, a lot of fighting still remains to be done before the West also can start this sort of work in earnest, so let us return to the current chaotic situation in the West.

    Here, “Germany suspending arms sales may give Trump cover to do the same, and may even lead to a UN arms embargo of Saudi Arabia and then Israel,” Pentagon sources say.  The U.S. military-industrial complex will be more than compensated for any losses resulting from such an embargo, WDS sources say.

    Of course, the Khazarians are not taking this lying down, as can be seen in a huge push against the entire Khashoggi psy-op.  For example, as Russia Today noted, “Riyadh doesn’t know how Khashoggi was killed or where his body is, Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir told Fox News, just one day after his country claimed the journalist was killed in a “fistfight” inside the consulate in Istanbul.”
    
https://www.rt.com/news/441878-saudis-killed-journalist-mistake/

    Also, the Khazarian-controlled media is putting out the story that their man MBS is still fully in control of the situation there.  However, a member of Abe’s cabinet called MBS’s long-time lawyer and constant companion to confirm that he was shot twice in the head in April and died instantly.

    CIA sources concurred, saying: “Yes, Bin Salman was taken out.  A Khazarian Zionist-controlled double was put in his place.  The real Bin Salman was causing too much upheaval for the powers that be.  The real MBS purchasing the Leonardo da Vinci painting Salvator Mundi for $450 million did not go over well with the Zionist cabal, as the purchase was made right after the Riyadh Ritz Carlton Hotel shakedown of the corrupt Saudi billionaires who worked directly with/for the Khazarian Zionists.  By purchasing the painting, MBS was sending a very direct signal – the real meaning of which only the Zionists would understand.”

    Meanwhile, both U.S. military intelligence and Canadian intelligence sources warned that the Khazarians (“lizards”) were going to bring out some hidden technology to try to manipulate public opinion using holograms and “voices.”  Here is what the Canadian source said:

    ”Yes, the lizards do not want to lose “the Fed,” and yes, they have the tech to make Jesus or whoever they want to talk to you in your head.  Not only that – Jesus or whoever will appear in front of you to give you a personal message as well.  The only problem with this tech is that the older ‘real pot,’ naturally grown, prevented this tech from working.  This is the reason it was outlawed many years ago, and who knows what Monsanto and Bayer are doing to the pot crops now.  Remember that the Earth is in ‘lockdown,’ so they (the lizards) can’t get off the planet and no one can get in to ‘pick them up.’  No country wants to loan money to the USA Corp.  China holds so much land as collateral across America, it’s unreal.  If the people only knew.  Let the chess game continue.”

    We can confirm from a pot farmer nephew in Canada that yes indeed, even though Canada has legalized pot, they are trying very hard to make sure that only strains that make you dumber are available.

    In any case, a retired U.S. military officer said there was widespread agreement among the ranks that it was time to simply hunt down and kill all the Khazarian gangsters, saying, “The Cabal has been using National Security Findings (NSFs) for many years against all their enemies, so perhaps like treatment should now be directed against them by the USN.  It is time for the USN to put its foot down and start sanctioning Cabal kingpins who love to pedophile little kids, then torture them and sacrifice them to Baal for more satanic power.”

    Apart from Israel, Saudi Arabia, and parts of the U.S., the other major Khazarian stronghold that is about to be taken down is the Ukraine.  The move to take the control of the 12,000 Ukrainian Orthodox Churches away from the Russian Orthodox Church is the last straw that will provoke Russia into reasserting control there, multiple sources agree.

    Here is what a CIA source had to regarding last week’s shootout by an “MKUltra-controlled” 18-year-old student at Kerch Polytech College, Crimea:

    1)  He had an accomplice.  Putin and the FSB know who it is.
    
2)  This was orchestrated by [Ukrainian President] Porky (Poroshenko) with the green light given from [former U.S. Vice President Joe] Biden.

    Putin has already made up his mind;  Ukraine will come back to mother Russia and the neo-Nazis will be neutralized.  Maybe not in that order.

    We tried to contact Russian sources through multiple routes about the reported coup attempt against Vladimir Putin and the situation in the Ukraine etc., but met with a complete wall of silence.  This sort of communications cut-off most likely means that some kind of military action is imminent.

    In a development possibly related to this, Japanese intelligence sources say that many Japanese, Chinese, and other nations’ satellites have gone silent and appear to have been hijacked by “the British and the Americans.”  Secret space program related?


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    Re: The road to war

    Post  burgundia on Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:11 pm

    Fulford's accounts always sound to me like fairy-tales.
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    Re: The road to war

    Post  Carol on Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:25 pm



    Hillary Clinton Supplied Cash, Weapons, Tanks, Training to Al-Qaeda
    to Kill Gaddafi & Weaponize “ISIS” in Syria

    https://truepundit.com/hillary-clinton-supplied-cash-weapons-tanks-training-to-al-qaeda-to-kill-gaddafi-weaponize-isis-in-syria/

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton created a secret military alliance between the United States and Al-Qaeda generals to assassinate Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi and distribute weapons to terror factions in Libya and ultimately “ISIS” fighters in Syria.

    True Pundit has documented this expose with interviews from intelligence assets, Hillary Clinton’s personal emails, Wikileaks emails, secret Pentagon intelligence audio recordings and previously classified cables from the Defense Intelligence Agency. The intelligence garnered from these sources depict devastating overt and covert revelations of how the United States, under Clinton’s Dept. of State, secretly colluded with terrorist organizations and its leaders to implement America’s foreign policy, including:

    Clinton directly aligned and forged a State Dept. partnership with Al-Qaeda and its extremist fanatics to overthrow, assassinate Gaddafi.

    Clinton directly armed and commissioned known terrorists and publicly sworn U.S. foes with weapons in Libya, a secret reversal of U.S. policy and direct violation of UN Security Council resolution 1973, which called for a complete arms embargo on Libya.

    Clinton and President Barack Obama together financed Al-Qaeda to overthrow Libyan government and stockpile weapons, including tanks and heavy artillery, which were ultimately shipped from Libya to “ISIS” factions in Syria and elsewhere.

    Clinton struck a deal with known senior military officials in Al-Qaeda to implement her U.S. foreign policy master plan in Libya, including shipping weapons to the surrounding region.

    According to intelligence sources, many of the weapons supplied to Al-Qaeda factions were believed to have be used against Americans in the Sept. 11 2012 Benghazi attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and two CIA operatives, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs. Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador killed in an attack since Adolph Dubs was killed in 1979.

    Libyan officials were deeply worried that weapons were being funneled to U.S.-backed rebels with ties to Al-Qaeda via Clinton’s State Dept., which they feared would ultimately create a vacuum and thereby a safe harbor for well-armed terrorists.

    Libyan officials cut off diplomatic talks with Clinton’s State Department and instead, worked with the Pentagon to avoid Clinton. Incredibly, the Pentagon initiated the diplomatic end-run around Clinton because uniformed top brass, along with the Libyans, no longer trusted her.

    A March 2011 email, sent to Clinton’s private email server from intelligence consultant and long-time confidant Sidney Blumenthal, details a list of U.S.-commissioned weapons supplied to Libyan “rebels.” Blumenthal’s email details egregious political and legally questionable abuses stemming from Clinton’s U.S. foreign policy in Libya.

    But, as Blumenthal mentions, the United States didn’t act alone. Using the public guise of humanitarian intervention in Libya to prevent a faux massacre by the Gaddafi regime, Britain, France and Egypt acted with the U.S. to train and arm Al-Qaeda to assassinate Gaddafi and stockpile weapons to eventually ship to Syrian. Also, the United Nations and several key NATO countries, including the U.S., also assisted this rebel regime with air strikes. Gaddafi was eventually assassinated on Oct. 20, 2011 at the hands of the Libyan rebels, less than six months after Blumenthal’s email.

    Blumenthal’s gem-packed intelligence briefing highlights a list of weapons commissioned by the U.S. that the Libyan “rebels” had stockpiled in Benghazi for the plot against Gaddafi.

    These knowledgeable sources add that the insurgents have the following weapons stockpiled in Benghazi:

    82 and 120 mm. mortars;

    GPZ type machine guns;

    12.7mm. machine guns mounted on 4×4 vehicles;

    some anti-aircraft batteries type ZSU 23/2 and 23/4 as well as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS) type SAM7;

    some tanks type T-72;

    Possibly some fixed wing aircraft, and some light transport/medium helicopters.


    A seemingly endless supply of AK47 assault rifles and ammunition (even for systems ZSU 23/4 and 23/2).

    Blumental likewise details that French, British and Egyptian Special Forces troops were training the rebels inside of western Egypt and in the western suburbs of Benghazi. He likewise acknowledges that the foreign “troops are overseeing the transfer of weapons and supplies to the rebels,” a direct violation of international law and UN resolutions.

    Blumenthal’s information was corroborated by Pentagon intelligence. In a secret 2011 intelligence correspondence phone recording, a Pentagon asset assigned to Libya tells a Gaddafi regime insider in Tripoli that Clinton and her State Department planned to further weaponize Libyan rebels, and ultimately Al-Qaeda, with millions of funds and assets frozen from Gadaffi. See below.

    An intelligence cable unearthed by True Pundit from the Defense Intelligence Agency dated September 12, 2012, the day after the Benghazi terror attack, also details an additional stockpile of weapons shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to Syria. That cache included:

    500 sniper rifles
    100 RPG launchers
    300 total RPG rounds
    Approximately 400 howitzer missiles [200 ea – 125mm and 200ea – 155 mm.]
    Blumenthal’s email is heavy with HUMINT and pinpoints a key liaison between the United States and the rebel army’s General Abdelfateh Younis, then-commander of the rebel forces. According to Blumenthal, Younis was working with French diplomats and intelligence officers in Egypt. According to sources, Younis was also engaged in planning strategy with British and U.S intelligence operatives and the primary lynch pin to the United States’ anti-Gaddafi operation in Libya.

    Blumenthal’s intelligence report mentions security officials feared Al-Qaeda could gain a strong foothold in Libya post-Gaddafi, absent swift intervention by the the U.S, Britian, France or Egypt. He fails to mention, or perhaps even realize however, that Libyan officials feared Al-Qaeda had already done just that. According to intelligence sources and documents, Libyan officials opened a back channel of communications with the United States to specifically bypass having to deal with Clinton’s State Department. Instead of dealing with Clinton, whom Libyan leaders no longer trusted, they turned directly to Pentagon and Dept. of Defense assets to do a diplomatic end-run around the State Department. Incredibly, the Pentagon agreed to the arrangement because top uniformed brass no longer trusted Clinton either.

    In a secret 2011 intelligence audio recording Gaddafi advisor Mohammed Ismael explains to Pentagon Intel asset that his warnings of unseating Gaddafi to the Clinton State Dept would cause chaos and unravel Libya.

    Read more at link above.


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    Re: The road to war

    Post  bobhardee on Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:01 pm

    Carol,
    There is ample evidence that the far right such as the Koch brothers has dumped millions if not billions of money into establishing the far right wing of the Republican Party.  Most of their ideas were based on the Koch brothers interactions with the John Birch Society.  These folks became really upset that the government would set an environmental agency that would hold their industries accountable.  Fine them if they were putting poison into the streams or in the air.  These are the folks who make up the top 2% income bracket in America. They are all about making money.....and no matter what its never enough. Some of these guys support the Democrats but most support those who will give them tax breaks......so they can make more money. Getting the tax breaks opens Trump into the Brandenburg meeting. He was not as rich as some of these guys and he wanted to play in their club and that was the price he had to pay. The tax breaks were the one piece of legislation that Trump has gotten passed.  They have pushed forward the idea that the best government is... no government.  Having no government is like trying to have a baseball game without an umpire.  Someone who ensures the rules are followed equally by both sides.  The Republicans want to dismantle the Federal Government and are doing so.  It has taken years to build this country into the strong powerhouse that it is but it has taken Trump only 18 months to destroy it.   In the final days before Nixon resigned, the military had to hide the nuclear lunch code from him to keep him from starting a war.  He knew that if a war came along then all the focus would be on it and not on how he broke the law.  His campaign was that he was Mr. Law and Order but boom.....he broke the law.    Now we have a man in charge that suffers from a mental disorder called Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Don't think for a minute that he would not start a war. In fact, it has been made known that Trump is managed by a team inside the West Wing. Those in the military don't want to go to war.  Everything coming out of the White House seems so bizarre because of his untreated condition.  His lies and bullying are all part of that disorder.  In other words.....he's not stable.  It's why book after book that was ever written about him said that he cheated people and is not honest and was denied a license to operate a casino. The only book that had anything positive to say was one he wrote about himself.     There is a core of people who like if not love Trump because they are just like him.  They have hidden their racism and sexism long enough and now they have someone that allows them to come out of the closet.  You have a President that encourages attacks on journalists the same way that Hitler encouraged such. Shut down the free press because it keeps you accountable. He makes statements about being President for life. (Think about that)   Now if you want to support a person like that, go ahead.  It's a free country.  You have that right.  If you want to base your beliefs on programs like the X 22 report then go ahead.  Most people see it as an unreliable news source that is backed if not totally funded by the far right dark money agenda.  The super rich want people to think a certain way and they use sources like that to influence as many people as they can. They have to find a bad person and blame them on all the wrongs of the world. It's a way of turning one group against another.  Enflame one side so that it keeps the attention away from them.  It keeps the common man from seeing the people who are funding the whole operation.  
    Trump wanted to win the election any way that he could.  Did he get help from Russia?  Absolutely.  Will it come out.  Yes, sooner or later it will come out.    To summarize: We have a man who has lied and conned his way into office.  Our Departments of Education, Environment, Defense, Agriculture, Interior,  and others are all under attack. He has not cleaned out a swamp but has definitely created cesspool.  
    His trade wars have not created jobs.  Yes, the economy has grown until recently but what is about to happen is that the USA will no longer be able to base our Dollar on the sale of Oil.  When that happens, our currency will hyperinflate. It will be worthless. So keep on beating the Trump drum if you want.  You don't have to worry about Hillary even though most Trump supporters like to throw her picture out every so often.  She's not going to run again. The irony of this is that everything that Trump accused her of, he has done.  So lock HIM up.  During the campaign, Ted Cruze said that his 8-year-old daughter was better behaved than Trump. Lying Ted was probably not lying that night.
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    Re: The road to war

    Post  bobhardee on Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:49 pm

    10/31/2018
    Pete Seeger says it all



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-yszPdRTk

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