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    she had one amasing voice - rest in peace - whitney
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    Post  THEeXchanger Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:55 pm

    found on facebook:

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    Shannon Lee
    Whitney Houston’s Death and The Secret-Society, Called The Music Industry
    Posted on February 12, 2012


    I was asked by a family member, who knows I’m an occult researcher, to look into Whitney Houston’s death, as being a sacrifice. Now, I don’t usually do too many articles on the illuminati and their connections with the music industry, because there are thousands of researchers that investigate this sort of thing, but when I looked into this one I figured it was worth sharing my opinions with the world.

    Before I get into my research I want to say that I was a Whitney Houston fan and I never judged her as a crackhead, like many others. I know that it is strong people within the music industry and she was definitely one of them. She started out in the Choir and her first solo performance was “Guide Me O Thou Jehova”. Whitney was one of the few entertainers who got a record deal, because of her true talent and not because of connections and affiliations that she had. She paved the way, with her voice and image, for many diva’s that would come after her. Whitney is free from the body and free from the matrix, which means her mission here was complete.

    Even though there is tons of research proving it, many people don’t believe that there is a secret society that controls the music and film industry. This is mostly due to ignorance and those people that make this claim are usually the ones who have done zero research into the topic. They simply make these statements because they don’t want to awaken from their celebrity dream world and that is ok. This is why the owners of the matrix put so much money and time into promoting celebrities, because the celebrities are the stars that keep the matrix alive to billions. Whitney Houston sold over 100 Million records and generated Billions of Federal Reserve notes (dollars), Euro’s, and pounds, for the world rulers. But more important than the money, Whitney Houston represented an image to the world and images in the matrix have to be controlled to their end.

    I was in the music industry and anytime I involve myself in something I do research to see what I am getting myself into. When I did my research on the music industry I found out that there are 3 major labels that own the Industry and all of the smaller labels within it. These labels are Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers. Now, what most people don’t realize is that these record labels are all owned by certain Elite families. Just because a company is a publically traded one doesn’t mean that it can’t be privately owned. A publically traded company is broken down into three parts, bonds, preferred stocks, and common stocks. A corporation is issued bonds from a bank and it then begins to invest into itself with the banker money. The stocks are issued out,first to the preferred stockholders, and then the general public gets a shot at investing into the stocks, as common stock holders.

    A corporation is simply a vehicle, called an artificial person in law, that is used to move finance from one place to the next. The bond holders are the true owners of the corporation and as I said above the bond holders are bankers. It is common knowledge that the global Elite run the world through the practice of banking, which is rooted in lending. The Rothschild family are the money manipulators and masters who control banking in Europe and the Rockafeller’s control banking here in the Corporate U.S. Thus, at the end of the day the entertainment industry is controlled and owned by the bankers, just like every other industry.

    Everything that takes place in public is first planned in private through secret societies. This is the way the world has always worked and the music industry is no exception to this. Before a entertainer is given a recording contract they must first be a member of a secret society. A so called X member of the illuminati, who was a music executive in the 70’s spoke about this publically, his name was John Todd. According to Todd, every musician and entertainer in the music industry and Hollywood, has to be a initiated wizard or witch before they are offered a recording contract. This is what some writers have called the selling of the soul or light to Lucifer. In his speeches John Todd further demonstrates that after the record is cut and the master is finished, it is then given to a coven of witches and wizards who conjure up a demon. Once the demon is conjured the witches and wizards ask the entity to attach itself to every copy or duplicate that is sold to the public, which guarantees the success of the record and also takes control of the listener. If you want to research Todd’s work in full I have all of his recorded material on MP3 and would be glad to send it to you. (Email me at 13signsastrology@gmail.com)
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    Shannon Lee Some VERY interesting reading there, good people ^^^^^
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    Michele Von she was found in a bathtub. someone posted an article a week back about how important drowning is in the occult. Just thought I would throw that out there.
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    Ebony Taylor John todd was trying to warn folks and the so called "christians" turned their backs on him... He was so easily villified and dismissed to their own peril of course, look where we are.. organized religion is so easily manipulated.. this is one reason I dont participate in it.. I am a believer in The Most High and his teachings thats it..
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    Maria Umana Good job Shannon!! Thanks for sharing
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    Shannon Lee The point I am making above is that the music industry is a cult and once one gets a record deal they are now an initiate and are a part of the cult for life. Whitney Houston was no exception to this rule and she took the oath back in the 70’s. Once the oath is pledged you become the property of the record labels and the machines and you can NEVER retire. The only way out of the game is death! If you think I’m lying, please email me with one entertainer who has successfully retired from the industry, never to come back again. There is no way out.

    Whitney Houston reached the peak of her career in 1992 when she starred in the film Body Guard, with Kevin Costner. If you notice all of the big entertainers have to do a film when they reach their peak so that they can generate more capital for their masters aka the label. Whitney had a pristine image, for the most part, and this is why many, including myself, respected her. In her music and even in the Body Guard film she played the type of person she was in real life. Little did Whitney know that the people that control the industry love to breakdown the image of pure and clean folks and this is exactly what they set out to do after the Body Guard film. She later starred in Waiting To Exhale and Cinderella, but information began to leak that she was often late for interviews and a no show sometimes. This was around the same time she met and would eventually marry Bobby Brown.

    You see, in the music industry nothing happens without the consent of the label and Whitney meeting and marrying Bobby Brown was no different. The life of an entertainer doesn’t stop when the cameras go off, the entertainment spills over into your personal life, because as I said above, when you sign the deal you are now the property of the labels. The labels allowed Whitney to Marry Bobby Brown and if one does any investigation they will see that her life began to go downhill shortly after. Now I’m not blaming Bobby for Whitney’s fall, because he took the oath and made a deal with the goat just like her, so I believe they used Bobby to make Whitney’s life more interesting and to begin to tarnish her image. Like I said the music industry is not for the pure hearted and Whitney was a pure soul indeed! The labels knew what kind of person Bobby was and they knew he would be a good pick for their goals with Whitney. So, the labels began to work rituals based on Bobby and Whitney’s relationship, remember everybody in the game aka the industry plays a part even when the cameras go off.

    Whitney Houston stated in her interview with Oprah in 2010 that she was attracted to Bobby because he, “took control of her and their relationship, and she liked that.” In reality Bobby was acting as Whitney’s handler, which is a term used in mind control. A handler is one who is used within a mind control experiment to break another and to get them to do what the controllers of the experiment want, this was Bobby’s role. The labels wanted to spice up Whitney’s life aka destroy her pristine image, which they had been targeting since she got into the industry. You may wonder why they would want to do a thing like this, but if you’re not in the industry then you can’t imagine how diabolical the people are who run the show. These people thrive on drama, sex, violence, and drugs. As they say, sex sales! Entertainers are products of the elite and they are treated as such, they (The Elite) don’t give a XXXX about human values morals and the likes. The people that are behind the scenes are master witches and wizards and their goals are constant control and power.

    Whitney Houston was addicted to cocain and she became infamous for this habit. You have to ask you’re self why was she addicted to cocain, because from a metaphysical point of view, people that use drugs are using them to cover up something. According to her 2010 interview with Oprah, Whitney said, “Bobby would draw eyes all over their home.” Could these be the all seeing eye that depicts Lucifer’s eye within the occult. I already proved above that these people are witches and wizards. She further states that, “Bobby was her drug”, which further proves that she was using the drugs as an escape from her life with Bobby. Whitney wasn’t happy with herself and the way her life was ending up and in the same interview with Oprah she even referred to herself as “the devil.”
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    Ellen J Carey I was wondering today, was Whitney from an illuminati family?
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    Shannon Lee According to Bobby Brown’s sister, who would go on drug binges with the couple, “Whitney hallucinates and sees demons when she’s high; she bites and beats herself black-and-blue but blames the devil for the injuries.” Bobby’s sister Tina goes on to say that, Houston sees ‘demons’ everywhere she goes, and beats herself up while saying “The Devil be hitting me.” Tina claimed that drugs have made Whitney so paranoid she sees evil apparitions and once drilled a spy-hole in her bathroom to look for “demons.” She said: “She’ll point to the floor and say, ‘See that demon. I’m telling you somebody’s messing with Bobby.’ She always thinks it’s something to do with Bobby.” She added: “She breaks everything – mirrors, phones, cabinets, appliances.”Now, ask yourself, what’s really going on within the music industry? Is it just drugs or was Whitney demon possessed? Why are all of these celebs hooked on drugs and why are all of these celebs dying young?

    Whitney was of no use to the industry anymore because as many of you know she couldn’t sing the way she use to. The drugs and the demons drained her life force, because Whitney was pure and wasn’t built for demonology. Whitney was sacrificed aka thrown from the freedom train, and done away with a day before the grammy’s as a industry ritual. She was found dead in a bath tub within the hotel of Clive Davis’s pre- Grammy Awards party. This was a ritual, just like every other aspect of Whitney’s life. Whitney was born on August the 9th and died on February 11th. (9-11) 9-11 is a numerical code used by the elite to perform human sacrifice rituals and Whitneys death was no exception. She died a night before the Grammy’s because within the occult one can harness the energy of the deceased to attain the ends of their choice. Whitney’s energy will be used for the awards tonight and this is why the media jumped all over her death before the cause was even discovered. This is a ritual folks.

    My last piece of information that I will submit, about the occult connections to the music industry, is Madonna’s performance at the Super Bowl. This performance, by Madonna, was a High priestess ceremony. The costume worn by Madonna speaks volumes as to her rank with the secret society within the music industry. Madonna was interviewed, prior to the Super Bowl, on Anderson Cooper show and she said, “The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful. Don’t take her words for granite, as she is telling you that her performance was a ritual. The Holy of Holies is the name of the most sacred place found within Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted to enter the Holy of Holies but the High Priest. This privilege was only granted on the Day of Atonement, to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. Whitney Houston was the Blood sacrifice that was offered on the Sabbath day, or Saturday, exactly 7 days after Madonna’s performance.

    So there you have it folks. The music industry is really a secret society in disguise and it’s much more than music. If you’re considering being an entertainer do your research and know what you’re getting yourself into. Without knowledge of the occult one doesn’t stand a chance of surviving within the music and film industry. If you enjoy your own self expression and individuality then the industry isn’t for you. Once the deal is made your life will be ritualized and controlled forever.

    By. Ra Imhotep

    Thank You for reading!

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    Michele Von why can't I see any comments? I can see the notifications but no comments, not even mine?
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    Shannon Lee Okay I can't see yall comments, WTF
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    Shannon Lee I can't see yall comments, they disappeared
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    Liam Luthor I'm adament that GaGa's 'Marry The Night' song has the hidden meaning that she went to the dark side and "sold her soul" so to speak in order to obtain her fame. I don't think she wanted to, she tried to get into the industry with her talent (she does have talent) but they didn't want her unless she changed and became more marketable to suit their needs and so she changed and then they took her onboard.
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    Michele Von I don't think any of them really " want" to, I doubt very much anyone would go into the industry if they really knew all the ends and out of what was going to be demanded from them. Remember who is behind all of this. Lucifer has always wor...See More
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    Liam Luthor What I meant is, some people genuinely want to go into the song industry because they have talent and just wanna perform for people, then there are those who just want fame and will do whatever it takes to get it despite the consequences.
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    Stephen Shellen Great stuff here and as an ex Hollywood actor who was blacklisted over 15 years ago, I can relate to all of the above. If you doubt my career and demise check out my interview on American Freedom Radio or simply google my name. I was films such as A River Runs Through It. Yes follks, this entertainment industry is not what i appears, in other words , not just entertainment but programming and unless you are an initiate it is almost impossible to get ahead. Why I was allowed to initially slip through the cracks....I really don't know....
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    Stephen Shellen Oh b y the way, I was in the Bodyguard, I was the actor presenting Whitney with the Academy Award towards the end of the film. At the time it was a small role but I was asked to do Kevin Costner a favour and do one day on the film. Bizarre huh...
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    Michele Von That is very odd, Stephan. :?
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    Post  THEeXchanger Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:57 pm

    part 1, part 2, and, soon to be coming part three
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    Post  HigherLove Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:06 pm

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    Post  Carol Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:58 pm

    I agree with Higher Love. Susan, your posts would better serve on their own thread. This thread was to honor Whitney and the beauty she share with humanity.

    I have removed my posts and created a new thread in honor of Whitney. Like many others it is no secret that there are bad people who have negative influences on good people and drag them down to their level in one manner or another. However, Whitney's inner light was so incredibly bright that her love and connection to God still shown through irrespective of the demons that plagued her. That is a true testimony to her character. Her death was an tragic accident and her addictions also self-destructive, Yet when she sang all that she was and more shined through and that is what I'll always remember. It is what I choose to remember and what made her so special.


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    Post  THEeXchanger Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:31 pm

    i am sorry, that was NOT my intention to ruin the thread

    i also really enjoyed her work

    they say, after 30 - it is hard to handle the controlled ones

    i suppose, BB was her handler :(
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    Post  Carol Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:42 pm

    THEeXchanger wrote:i am sorry, that was NOT my intention to ruin the thread

    i also really enjoyed her work

    they say, after 30 - it is hard to handle the controlled ones

    i suppose, BB was her handler :(


    I believe you Susan. The drift started with another poster.

    I don't know who her handler was or who got her started on drugs. At this point it is somewhat irrelevant and my primary concern is for her daughter whose life is at risk now. She is the one we should be sending our prayers to as Whitney has already passed over.


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    Post  burgundia Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:05 am

    since this is a thread "how to ruin" an obituary, so I feel free to express my opinion here.
    Let's not exaggerate in making Whitney almost a saint/angel, only because she died. She had a beautiful voice - agreed! But i wouldn't say she was that evolved. she loved wearing fur and by that contributed to torture and senseless killing of hundreds of animals. Being that rich , she should know better.

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    Post  HigherLove Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:58 am

    You were quite successful.

    It appears neither you nor I are very evolved when it comes to judgements.

    I do enjoy many of your posts, however. It was the timing and placement that the tears rolling down my cheeks could not stand.

    I have created another thread where people can post about all of this stuff. I do think it is important, but I agree with Carol that when that woman (sober) opened her mouth to sing (before she ruined her voice), all I heard was The Divine. It is that feeling of loss of that divine connection, if even only for a day or two, that sent me into grief.

    I have been speaking to God's Whitney. The Whitney inside who was the gorgeous young woman who filled the airwaves with love, grandeur, and grace -- the little girl inside who did have her one moment in time. She was better than we thought anybody could be.


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    Post  Carol Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:37 am

    Last fall our close friends lost their son in almost an identical situation. His partner is also very famous and well known but this man's addiction and battle with his addictions was his life challenge and those who loved him their cross to bear as well. He was 53 and a musician. Prescription drugs were found near his body which was in the hot tub. He was getting ready to go out when his heart failed from the drugs and alcohol. A tragic accident. This was another man who loved life, loved music and was well loved. Yet his battle with his addiction was his undoing and created much heart break for family, friends and his partner who was devastated. We attended that funeral.

    I just want to say that once someone gets sucked into addiction it can become a life long battle that many do not survive and those who are witness suffer too.

    Sometimes I think some of these people are born without skin at an emotional level where they are just too emotionally vulnerable to deal with the type of society that exists in modern times. Whatever the reason for becoming addicted to drugs one must accept somewhere along this line of intellectual questioning that addiction is a medical condition that some are far more prone to then others.

    I really don't know any saints burgundia. Yet I've know a number of people who are very human and give much love. Whitney was such a person.


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    Post  burgundia Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:29 pm

    HigherLove wrote:


    It was the timing and placement that the tears rolling down my cheeks could not stand.

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    Now I understand you. What i couldn't understand before was your somewhat harsh reaction to mine and Susan's posts since I thought that the thread was about Whitney's death in all its aspects. I saw nothing wrong with trying to connect the dots with regard to her untimely death. The moment I had heard about it i had a feeling that there might have been a foul play there. I think it would have been enough to say that in 2-3 sentences instead of changing the title of the thread more than once or writing a long post with the picture of a rope. Overly dramatic and confusing for me.
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    Post  burgundia Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:35 pm

    This picture doesn't say anything bad about Whitney, but it gives a broader perspective on things...



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    Post  HigherLove Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:38 pm

    burgundia wrote:
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    It was the timing and placement that the tears rolling down my cheeks could not stand.

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    Now I understand you.

    cheers sunny Hugs

    What i couldn't understand before was your somewhat harsh reaction to mine and Susan's posts since I thought that the thread was about Whitney's death in all its aspects. I saw nothing wrong with trying to connect the dots with regard to her untimely death. The moment I had heard about it i had a feeling that there might have been a foul play there. I think it would have been enough to say that in 2-3 sentences instead of changing the title of the thread more than once or writing a long post with the picture of a rope. Overly dramatic I can be and confusing for me. I was confused by a seeming lack of sensitivity, but I see that is not the case. As for thread drift, I will change titles as I see fit, unless otherwise directed by the mods. Gotta take the good with the bad


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    Post  HigherLove Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:39 pm

    burgundia wrote:This picture doesn't say anything bad about Whitney, but it gives a broader perspective on things...



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    One cannot lack enough to make another rich / one cannot be poor enough to make another rich (parphrase of Wayne Dyer)

    We know there is disparity. We know there is enough to go around.

    Whitney is quite popular right now and it is easy to associate her with world events. Madonna adopted children from Africa, developed communities... but she apparently was part of the ritual for Whitney's death, so I guess that gets cancelled out.
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    Post  burgundia Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:23 pm

    HigherLove wrote:
    burgundia wrote:This picture doesn't say anything bad about Whitney, but it gives a broader perspective on things...



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    One cannot lack enough to make another rich / one cannot be poor enough to make another rich (parphrase of Wayne Dyer)

    We know there is disparity. We know there is enough to go around.

    Whitney is quite popular right now and it is easy to associate her with world events. Madonna adopted children from Africa, developed communities... but she apparently was part of the ritual for Whitney's death, so I guess that gets cancelled out.

    It is not (the picture) about children dying in Africa, about who is rich and who is poor and why and whether it is good or bad. It is about us, ordinary people and how we approach death. The same type of picture was used when Steve Jobs died.

    Apparently the victim of a sacrifice must be someone who , in certain aspects, would resemble a lamb. Lamb symbolizes innocence. I am sure they always choose such people. Michael Jackson was like a child...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2ZQywYGsQ&sns=fb

    Investigators suggest Whitney Houston was murdered

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    Post  HigherLove Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:41 pm

    burgundia wrote:
    HigherLove wrote:
    burgundia wrote:This picture doesn't say anything bad about Whitney, but it gives a broader perspective on things...



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    One cannot lack enough to make another rich / one cannot be poor enough to make another rich (parphrase of Wayne Dyer)

    We know there is disparity. We know there is enough to go around.

    Whitney is quite popular right now and it is easy to associate her with world events. Madonna adopted children from Africa, developed communities... but she apparently was part of the ritual for Whitney's death, so I guess that gets cancelled out.

    It is not (the picture) about children dying in Africa, about who is rich and who is poor and why and whether it is good or bad. It is about us, ordinary people and how we approach death. The same type of picture was used when Steve Jobs died.

    Apparently the victim of a sacrifice must be someone who , in certain aspects, would resemble a lamb. Lamb symbolizes innocence. I am sure they always choose such people. Michael Jackson was like a child...

    Oh, okay. I get it now. It's disgusting, but I get it.

    Thanks, burgundia. You have a good heart, and I am sorry I did not see that earlier in this post.
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    Post  Carol Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:58 pm

    And then there are those who cry for both.

    These pictures of all or nothing statement is off the mark. Millions cry because they were in a position to feel what Whitey had to share through her music and mourn her passing.

    In the other situation, many people are cut off from what is going on in the world for the simple reason that MSM doesn't want to bring attention to it. When attention is brought to the situation of starving children others do what they can via various charities that are set up around the world. One can only do so much physically yet with the heart one can also give in prayer at anytime to anyone or any situation.

    In both situations there is a feeling of helplessness that is often generated. At the collective level we don't want children to starve nor do we wish to see the passing of someone who shared beautiful music with us. Whitney also represented someone who had everything and even then things went wrong. So tragedy strikes those who cannot help themselves along with those who do have the resources available to avert it.


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    Post  HigherLove Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:04 pm

    Carol wrote:And then there are those who cry for both.

    These pictures of all or nothing statement is off the mark. Millions cry because they were in a position to feel what Whitey had to share through her music and mourn her passing.

    In the other situation, many people are cut off from what is going on in the world for the simple reason that MSM doesn't want to bring attention to it. When attention is brought to the situation of starving children others do what they can via various charities that are set up around the world. One can only do so much physically yet with the heart one can also give in prayer at anytime to anyone or any situation.

    In both situations there is a feeling of helplessness that is often generated. At the collective level we don't want children to starve nor do we wish to see the passing of someone who shared beautiful music with us. Whitney also represented someone who had everything and even then things went wrong. So tragedy strikes those who cannot help themselves along with those who do have the resources available to avert it.


    Very well thought out and articulated, as always. I guess this is why you are the boss.

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    burgundia: I changed the name of the link this time to be more respectful. I will leave it as it is now.

    It seems this discussion was meant to happen, so I should get out of my own way now.

    I think I have said all I can about it, anyway (nah...give me 5 seconds).

    :)

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