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    Post  THEeXchanger on Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:46 pm

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    Post  THEeXchanger on Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:48 pm

    The books' "code" can't be cracked, the language can't be identified, read, or interpreted by any experts and nobody really knows what it is or who made it to this day!

    The Voynich Manuscript is still unexplained to this very day.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/11/history-mystery-scientists-age-voyn...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

    It's REAL and has been studied by experts. It is owned by Yale University and can be viewed in it's entirety right here:
    http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/digitallibrary/voynich.html

    Is it all a hoax, a fake book of spells, potion, or alchemy? Something to do with religion, the supernatural, or astrology? Is it an elaborate uncracked code - maybe for a secret society? Is it something even more mysterious? Something alien or a lost language. Something truly beyond or lost to our understanding.

    No one knows, and many scholars and experts have tried to crack this. This remains one of the, if not the most mysterious books in the World!
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    Post  HigherLove on Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 pm

    PDF link to the Codex (with details, better images):

    http://www.isi.edu/natural-language/people/voynich.pdf

    Another site with a few links:


    http://www.archive.org/details/TheVoynichManuscript

    Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

    ______________________________________________________


    FOR A POSSIBLE TRANSLATION, INCLUDING DETAILED DRAWINGS OF THE ALPHABET:

    William F. Friedman’s Transcription of the Voynich Manuscript
    Jim Reeds
    AT&T Bell Laboratories
    Murray Hill, New Jersey 07974
    September 7, 1994


    http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~reedsj/voynich/wff.pdf

    So: What did ATT seek to accomplish?


    And a caveat:

    1. This deals only with Item 1609.

    2. Below:


    The present paper should be regarded as a contribution to the historiography — but not to
    the solution — of the Voynich manuscript. In a later paper I hope to present a statistical analysis
    of the VMS text itself, based on Friedman’s transcription.










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    Post  Owlsden on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:15 pm


    Interesting thread here..

    John Dee was posted on January 12th here..

    Post 157

    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t3666p150-thuban-101-general-introduction-and-history

    John Dee apparently owned the Manuscript.
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:20 am

    it is most interesting it came from germany

    trees of life books - orig. in germany

    around the same era
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:58 pm

    Mysterious Manuscript's Code Has Been Cracked, 'Prophet of God' Claims

    By Sasha Bogursky
    Published December 02, 2011
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       Voynich Manuscript
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    Mysterious Manuscript's Code Has Been Cracked, 'Prophet of God' Claims

    By Sasha Bogursky
    Published December 02, 2011
    FoxNews.com

    Voynich Manuscript
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    Written in "alien" characters, illustrated with sketches, and dating back hundreds of years,

    the Voynich Manuscript has puzzled cryptographers, historians and bibliophiles for centuries.

    And now the mystery has finally come to an end, according to a businessman

    from Finland named Viekko Latvala,

    a self described "prophet of god," who says he has decoded the book

    and unlocked the secrets of the world's most mysterious manuscript.

    Latvala's business associate, Ari Ketola told FoxNews.com the meaning of the crazy characters

    he described as "sonic waves and vocal syllables."

    "The book is a life work and scientific publication of medicine that would be still useful today," Ketola said.

    "The writer was a scientist of plants, pharmacy, astrology and astronomy. It contains

    ... prophesy for some decades and hundreds of years ahead from the time it was created."

    In other words, the Voynich Manuscript

    -- which is currently held by Yale University's Beincke Rare Book and Manuscript Library in New Haven, Conn.

    -- is an herbological tome, something the writer used to keep track of plants and their uses

    for either scientific or medical purposes.

    And a prophecy.

    Latvala provided the following translation of plant 16152, which he said can be found today in Ethiopia:

    "The name of the flower is Heart of Fire.
    It makes the skin beautiful when made as an ointment.
    The oil is pressed from the buds.
    This ointment is used for the wrinkles.
    Is suitable for the kidneys and the head,
    as the flower prevents inflammations, is antibiotic.
    Plant is 10 centimeters by its height.
    It grows on hot and dry slants.
    The plant is bright green by its color."

    So how could Latvala decode a manuscript that still dumbfounds the world's top cryptographers?

    It's simple. You just have to have a direct line to God.

    "Mr. Latvala said that no one 'normal human' can decode it,

    because there is no code or method to read this text, it's a channel language of prophecy," Ketola told FoxNews.com.

    "This type of persons are most rare to exist, yet they have always been on face of the Earth

    through millenniums up to today ... and Mr Veikko Latvala has had this gift of mercy last 20 years."

    Several top cryptographers contacted by FoxNews.com declined to comment on Latvala's claim,

    willing neither to validate his interpretation nor offer a counter explanation for the strange book.

    Ketola would not explained his methodology, but offered some insight into the weird characters.

    "The language of this book is quite twisted," Ketola said.

    "The sound syllables are a mixture of Spanish and Italian,

    also mixed with the language this man used to speak himself.

    His own language was a rare Babylonian dialect that was spoken in a small area in Asia."

    The author of the Voynich Manuscript did not know how to write in any extant language,
    Ketola said, so he had to create his own alphabet and vocabulary.
    "This man could not write any language so he had to invent a writing
    he can read / pronounce himself," he said.

    Ketola suggested that the language may have also been some sort of shorthand
    writing the author used to jot down notes for himself.

    Another mysterious, "alien" book that no one can read was unraveled last month
    by Kevin Knight, a computer scientist with the University of
    Southern California's Viterbi School of Engineering.

    The Copiale Cipher -- a mysterious cryptogram bound in gold and green brocade paper
    -- is a 250-year-old coded document. By decrypting it, Knight
    and his colleagues uncovered the inner workings of an 18th-century secret society.

    Knight declined to comment on Ketola's discovery.






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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:03 pm

    NOW, REMEMBER this was 2011

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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:13 pm

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22975809

    21 June 2013 Last updated at 23:13 ET

    Mysterious Voynich manuscript has 'genuine message'
    By Melissa Hogenboom Science reporter, BBC News


    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68288000/jpg/_68288322_new_voynich_manuscript_(170).jpg

    The 15th Century Voynich manuscript has been described as the world's most mysterious book,
    which could be a complex code, an unknown language or simply a hoax

    *******************************************************************************
    The message inside "the world's most mysterious medieval manuscript"
    has eluded cryptographers, mathematicians and linguists for over a century.

    And for many, the so-called Voynich book is assumed to be a hoax.

    But a new study, published in the journal Plos One,
    suggests the manuscript may, after all, hold a genuine message.

    Scientists say they found linguistic patterns they believe
    to be meaningful words within the text.

    Whether or not it really does have any meaningful information, though,
    is much debated by amateurs and professionals alike.

    It was even investigated by a team of prominent code breakers
    during WWII who successfully cracked complex encrypted enemy messages,
    but they failed to find meaning in the text.

    The book has been dated to the early 1400s, but it largely disappeared
    from public record until 1912 when an antique book dealer
    called Wilfrid Voynich bought it amongst a number
    of second-hand publications in Italy


    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68289000/jpg/_68289512_new_3voynich_manuscript_(178).jpg

    The book is 240 pages long, is written in an unknown alphabet
    and features mysterious pictures of unknown plants,
    astronomical images and naked women bathing

    *************************************************************************




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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:19 pm



    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68289000/jpg/_68289511_text.jpg

    "There are about 25 examinations of the Voynich manuscript
    and most of the results show the text
    has similarities with natural language.
    This new examination is one more of this kind,"
    says Klaus Schmeh, a cryptographer.

    "While we know a lot about the statistical properties of the text,
    we don't know enough about how to interpret them,
    which is one of the problems with the new research.
    We need to find out how different languages,
    encryption methods, and text types influence the statistics.

    "There have been numerous encrypted texts
    since the Middle Ages and 99.9% have been cracked.
    If you have a whole book, as here, it should be 'quite easy'
    as there is so much material for analysts to work with.
    That it has never been decrypted is a strong argument for the hoax theory."
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:27 pm

    Marcelo Montemurro, a theoretical physicist
    from the University of Manchester, UK,
    has spent many years analysing its linguistic patterns
    and says he hopes to unravel the manuscript's mystery,
    which he believes his new research is one step closer to doing.

    "The text is unique, there are no similar works
    and all attempts to decode any possible message
    in the text have failed.
    It's not easy to dismiss the manuscript
    as simple nonsensical gibberish,
    as it shows a significant [linguistic] structure,"
    he told BBC News.

    Dr Montemurro and a colleague used a
    computerised statistical method to analyse the text,
    an approach that has been known to work on other languages.

    They focused on patterns of how the words
    were arranged in order to extract meaningful content-bearing words.

    "There is substantial evidence that content-bearing words
    tend to occur in a clustered pattern,
    where they are required as part of the specific information
    being written," he explains.

    "Over long spans of texts, words leave a statistical signature
    about their use. When the topic shifts, other words are needed.

    "The semantic networks we obtained clearly show
    that related words tend to share structure similarities.
    This also happens to a certain degree in real languages."

    Dr Montemurro believes it unlikely that these features
    were simply "incorporated" into the text
    to make a hoax more realistic,
    as most of the required academic knowledge of these structures
    did not exist at the time the Voynich manuscript was created.

    Though he has found a pattern,
    what the words mean remains a mystery.

    The very fact that a century of brilliant minds
    have analysed the work with little progress
    means some believe a hoax is the only likely explanation.
    Unidentified language

    Gordon Rugg, a mathematician from Keele University, UK,
    is one such academic.

    He has even produced his own complex code deliberately
    similar to "Voynichese" to show how a text can appear
    to have meaningful patterns,
    even though it is "gibberish hoax text".

    He says the new findings do not rule out the hoax theory,
    which the researchers argue.

    "The findings aren't anything new.
    It's been accepted for decades that the statistical properties
    of Voynichese are similar, but not identical,
    to those of real languages.

    "I don't think there's much chance that the Voynich manuscript
    is simply an unidentified language,
    because there are too many features in its text
    that are very different from anything found
    in any real language."





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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:29 pm



    Gordon Rugg's code Dr Rugg made a code purposely similar
    to the Voynich text to show how easy it was to produce
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:31 pm

    Gordon Rugg does not believe it contains an unknown code,
    which is another theory of what the text may be:
    "Some of the features of the manuscript's text,
    such as the way that it consists of separate words,
    are inconsistent with most methods of encoding text.
    Modern codes almost invariably avoid having separate words,
    as those would be an easy way to crack most coding systems."

    As to its enduring appeal, an unsolved cipher could be
    "hiding almost anything", says Craig Bauer,
    author of Secret History: The Story of Cryptology.

    "It could solve a major crime, reveal buried treasure
    worth millions or in the case of the Voynich manuscript,
    rewrite the history of science," he adds.

    Dr Bauer's opinion of whether it is meaningful is often swayed,
    he admits. While he recently believed it to be a hoax,
    the new analysis has now shifted his opinion.

    But despite this, he still believes it is a made up language,
    as opposed to a real naturally evolving one,
    or "it would have been broken years ago".

    "However, I still feel that it's very much an open question
    and I may change my mind a few times
    before a proof is obtained one way or the other."

    But Dr Montemurro is firm in his belief,
    and argues that the hoax hypothesis cannot possibly
    explain the semantic patterns he has discovered.

    He is aware that his analysis leaves many questions still unanswered,
    such as whether it is an encoded version of a known language
    or whether a totally invented language.


    "After this study, any new support for the hoax hypothesis
    should address the emergence of this sophisticated structure explicitly.
    So far, this has not been done.

    "There must be a story behind it,
    which we may never know," Dr Montemurro adds.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22975809

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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:44 pm



    Mysterious Manuscript's Code Has Been Cracked, 'Prophet of God' Claims

    By Sasha Bogursky
    Published December 02, 2011
    FoxNews.com

    Voynich Manuscript



    http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/660/371/Voynich%20Manuscript%201.jpg?ve=1

    could an artist help me
    to strip away the writing
    and, just leave a copy of the flower ???
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:52 pm

    One of the experts in deciphering the collections of encoded texts like Voynich...
    See what topics it speaks of and who are encoding it and why...



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam0Tk-1FyI
    USC Scientist Cracks Mysterious "Copiale Cipher"
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:54 pm

    Wayne Herschel Author says:

    Voynich used two encoded techniques...
    1) Like DaVinci and during the same time period as John Dee...

    he also learned to write backwards.
    2) He then implemented alphabet encoding but

    so complex it hasnt been decoded as far as i know.

    There was a claim... but no proof released.
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:49 pm

    Researchers Crack Secret Society's 18th Century Code,
    Target World's Most Mysterious Book
    Published October 26, 2011
    FoxNews.com
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/26/secret-society-revealed-scientists-crack-mysterious-18th-century-code/?intcmp=related

       Copiale Cipher


       http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/660/371/copiale.JPG?ve=1

    They're going to need a bigger secret decoder ring.

    A team of researchers that made headlines for decoding a secret society's 18th century manuscript

    is working to reveal the secret behind an even more mysterious book -- one that the world has yet to decode.

    Found in a chest of books outside Rome by a dealer in antique books,

    the Voynich manuscript has remained one of history’s biggest mysteries:

    Its aging parchment is coated in alien characters and has for centuries mystified scientists.

    And Kevin Knight, a computer scientist with USC's Viterbi School of Engineering

    who recently helped crack the Copiale Cipher,

    believes the same techniques could be used to tackle literature’s great mystery manuscript.

    “We have decipherment algorithms, but we also have tools that just look for patterns,”

    Knight told FoxNews.com in an interview.

    “Those pattern-finders helped us find similar sets of letters in Copiale,

    and they have already started helping us find patterns in the Voynich manuscript.”

    The Copiale Cipher -- a mysterious cryptogram bound in gold and green brocade paper

    -- is a 250-year-old coded document. By decrypting it, Knight and his colleagues uncovered

    the inner workings of an 18th-century secret society.

    The codebreaking team began without knowing the language of the encrypted document.

    They had a hunch about the Roman and Greek characters distributed throughout the manuscript,

    however, so they isolated these from the abstract symbols and attacked it as the true code.

    After trying 80 languages, the team realized the characters were actually meant to throw them off,

    deliberately planted to misread readers. With the aid of statistics and algorithms such as expected word frequency

    , the first meaningful phrases began to emerge: “Ceremonies of Initiation,” followed by “Secret Section.”

    Knight is now targeting other coded messages, including ciphers the Zodiac Killer

    sent to the police in the 60s and 70s, the C.I.A.’s “Kryptos” sculpture,

    as well as the infamous Voynich manuscript

    According to Knight, the process has profound implications for unlocking history's mysteries.

    "Secret societies have had a role in revolutions ... and a big part of the reason is because so many documents are enciphered," Knight said. "This opens up a window for people who study the history of ideas and the history of secret societies."

    Currently owned by Yale, the Voynich manuscript was discovered in the Villa Mondragone

    near Rome in 1912 by antique book dealer Wilfrid Voynich while sifting through a chest of books

    offered for sale by the Society of Jesus.

    Voynich dedicated the remainder of his life to unveiling the mystery of the book's origin

    and deciphering its meanings.

    He died 18 years later, without having wrestled any its secrets from the book.
    http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/660/371/copiale.JPG?ve=1

    The Voynich manuscript's unintelligible writings and strange illustrations

    have defied every attempt at understanding their meaning.

    "Is it a code, a cipher of some kind?" asked Greg Hodgins, a physicist with the University of Arizona.

    "People are doing statistical analysis of letter use and word use

    -- the tools that have been used for code breaking.

    But they still haven't figured it out," Hodgins said.

    Knight and his team of Swedish and American researchers are wary of the monumental task ahead.

    "When you get a new code and look at it, the possibilities are nearly infinite," Knight said.

    “Not knowing the system is the biggest challenge -- not knowing who wrote it, why they wrote it,

    and what language they spoke.”

    Whatever it is, Knight hopes his findings can shed new light on history:

    "Historians believe that secret societies have had a role in revolutions,

    but all that is yet to be worked out, and a big part of the reason is because

    so many documents are enciphered,” Knight said.

    "This opens up a window for people who study the history of ideas and the history of secret societies.”

    But the secrets of the Voynich manuscript may yet remain a mystery. Despite their recent successes,

    Knight admits that the team has “raised more questions than we’ve answered.”
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    Post  Brook on Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:55 am

    I just thought I'd share this with you Susan as you might find it interesting and related somehow to the Voynich Manuscript.


    Codex Seraphinianus

    http://the-dimka.livejournal.com/6645.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus



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    Post  THEeXchanger on Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:11 am

    Thanks Brook, that is very interesting

    - sadly, trying to do all this work alone
    is just proving to be too difficult
    i've got 'real' answers - not, yet revealed
    however, this world works against me
    -i don't have the computer skills
    in order to label photographs,
    strip away writing from existing photographs,
    or, just to draw things
    - one of the hardest things to do, is ask for help
    we've done that -over, and over again
    sadly, this project is bigger than just me :(
    - maybe, one day, people will come to understand that ?

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