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    Post  newel Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:07 pm

    I don't know what to make of it. There is probably more to that story. It seems the government took their baby away right at birth because they said the father is in a militia, Oath Keeper, which is not a militia... That's what the affidavit said, according to the father.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvZRM-P46rI

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    Post  Carol Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:10 pm

    This is so odd. They are dressed in full military gear with gas face masks? It doesn't make sense. If that baby grows up and has recall it will probably think it was abducted by aliens.


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    Post  newel Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:27 pm

    Carol wrote:This is so odd. They are dressed in full military gear with gas face masks? It doesn't make sense. If that baby grows up and has recall it will probably think it was abducted by aliens.

    It's just a random picture. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual abduction.
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    Post  newel Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:50 pm

    Copy and paste link:

    godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1214470/pg1

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    Post  newel Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:30 am

    Excerpt:

    Stewart Rhodes
    Founder of Oath Keepers


    Stewart will post additional statements and info as this situation develops. Please be ready to flood the responsible parties with phone calls and emails to put public pressure on them in the court of public opinion.

    UPDATE : 10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish. But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts -- they are merely allegations (and in my experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).

    But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.

    More at the link:
    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/
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    Post  newel Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:35 am

    As usual, Paul Watson came up with a one liner that describes exactly what's happening:

    "Government Seizes Newborn Baby Over Political Beliefs Of Parents"

    http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/

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    Post  newel Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:03 pm

    UPDATE: We have now obtained a copy of the affidavit which is reprinted below. This confirms that Irish was targeted partly because of his association with Oath Keepers, in addition to the fact that he bought guns. Apparently, exercising the second amendment is now reasonable justification for the state to steal your child in America.

    http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/


    http://static.infowars.com/2010/10/i/article-images/irishdoc.jpg


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    Post  newel Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:00 pm

    AJ interview with the family today-

    Page:
    http://www.archive.org/details/irish_family_aj_oct8_10.mp3

    Mp3:
    http://www.archive.org/download/irish_family_aj_oct8_10.mp3/irish_family_aj_oct8_10.mp3

    Videos:
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-4
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-5
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-6
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-7
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-8
    John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-9
    Stewart Rhodes on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-17
    Stewart Rhodes on The Alex Jones Show - Fri 10.08.2010 part-18


    May 14, 2009, Alex Jones - Georgia senator Nancy Schaefer (suicided in March 2010) talks about CPS
    1/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x26k7fUTGV4
    2/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92b8z_ioN4A
    3/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEl6mvxw8hc
    4/4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-BnJze3Fyo
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    Post  newel Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:34 pm

    Here they are on video finally:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0_aMbBLfU

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    Post  mudra Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:05 am

    This is an incredible story .
    It goes beyond common sense.
    Maybe the former husband is behind all this
    as he seems to put stops on the divorce .
    Nevertheless this is grim .

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    Post  newel Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:34 am

    CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

    There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irish’s “association” with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Court’s Order. Alex Jones’ site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

    To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents: the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Court’s Ex Parte Order, the Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process. We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.

    More:
    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/11/confirmed-court-did-rely-on-oath-keeper-association-to-take-baby/
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    Post  newel Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:37 am

    It's confirmed, Oath Keepers is preparing a lawsuit against the CPS:
    http://www.infowars.com/update-on-new-hampshire-thugs-snatching-baby-girl/
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    Post  newel Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:44 pm

    The baby has most likely been abused sexually:
    http://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-evidence-of-neglect-or-abuse-in-care/

    Update 19:48 BST (14:48 CST)

    There is significant bleeding and swelling around the private parts of Baby Cheyenne and the child is being referred to a paediatrician who specialises in the medical and forensic evidence of abuse.

    Baby Cheyenne is under the jurisdiction of the police while in hospital, not the CPS, and unconfirmed reports are that the deputy now has the foster parents in custody for questioning regarding the injuries sustained to Baby Cheyenne.

    Only the foster parents are in the frame for this, as there is a sheriff as a witness to the discovery. The sheriff is very unlikely to perjure himself after a full disclosure was made of the facts on national radio via the Alex Jones Radio Show on GCNLive.com.

    Jonathan and Stephanie are still at the hospital and are believed to be with their daughter.

    Update 20:00 BST (15:00 CST)

    Baby Cheyenne has been taken to a sexual assault speciality Doctor under police escort. The sheriff is with the baby. Stephanie and Jonathan are following them, along with CPS. Baby Cheyenne is 'fussy', going in and out of consciousness, and when she is awake doesn't want any one touching her, which shows the level of her injuries and distress.

    Update 20:16 BST (15:16 CST)

    Baby Cheyenne has been taken out of CPS custody by the sheriff, who has taken over the whole case. She is being seen by a sexual abuse specialist. There were also abrasions on her vaginal area.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abk5W5nRf28


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8z5Md4wOcs


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odYaVsyA9qc#t=4m19s
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    Post  mudra Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:21 pm

    This is so sad No
    It brought tears in my eyes .
    7 days on Earth and already in hell .
    May this little girl be given back to her parents.

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    Post  newel Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:19 pm

    http://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-evidence-of-neglect-or-abuse-in-care/

    Update 00:00 BST (19:00 CST)

    Johnathan's lawyer left him in the dust because he feels that he does not have enough time to prepare a professional defense. Johnathon is preparing to go into that courtroom tomorrow and defend himself. If you know a lawyer that might take this case let Watchman Noyes know. Or it's pretty much all over but the crying.
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    Post  newel Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:00 pm

    This PP member went to the hospital and talked to a nurse:

    http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=189341.msg1123515#msg1123515


    The nurse reiterated what Jonathon Irish told Alex earlier, the baby girl was bleeding in her genital area, and was sent to be examined by an expert. The baby was in the Stafford County Sheriff's custody when they left. Customarily, the Foster Parents will be questioned by the Sheriff's office.

    If the baby was indeed abused, it's probable that they intended to give the baby back tomorrow, then accuse the parents of the abuse.
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    Post  Carol Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:27 pm

    Often times when the media takes off like this we only get a pie slice of what is going on. The father of the baby is a batterer and abused the other children. Since his partner would not leave him or protect the children then were taken away from both of them. This is typical in these types of cases. I'm not sure about the infant's current care as I didn't read those reports but having worked in the field for many year.. there is more to the picture then meets the eye.


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    Post  newel Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:59 am



    godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1214470/pg54#19861620


    Interview with Johnathan Irish. He states.

    - Did not want his daughter taken to that particular specialist due to the Doctor's history of "working with DCYF". They wanted to take her to a different Doctor and were not allowed to.

    - Doctor did not want to see the diaper of evidence of amount of blood.

    - Hair found on Cheyenne's genitals was not taken as evidence. Johnathan did claim it in front of deputies and put it into an offered specimen bag and sealed it. He still has possession of it.

    - Cheyenne is back at the foster home.

    - Foster mother gave them evidence of Stephanie's older son being abused in that home months ago. DCYF has not / will not act on it.

    - Stephanie asked for her sons to be taken into a new environment until they determined if Cheyenne had been abused. DCYF refused.

    Sounds like the lawyer is going to ask for a continuance. Johnathan starts crying when he finds out. He wants his daughter home.

    He had to hand the phone to Stephanie, he was so upset, he starts throwing up.

    For those that think he's a "dirtbag" this may change your mind. It tore my heart out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SXjXkhH2Q

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH12iSirABY

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    Post  newel Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:43 pm

    http://www.philipbrennan.net/2010/10/13/baby-cheyenne-evidence-of-neglect-or-abuse-in-care/

    Update 04:45 BST (10:45 CST)

    According to Watchman Noyes baby Cheyenne was returned last night to the same foster home she was in when rushed to the hospital.

    The local MSM newspaper, Concord Monitor, had an article concerning the baby's trip to the hospital. They not only stated "the baby is absolutely fine," said Maggie Bishop, the director of the state Division for Children, Youth, and Families. "The baby is healthy, safe, and absolutely fine." (then why did they all think it was bad enough to go to the hospital?), but also stated, "Court documents also mention Irish's affiliation with anti-totalitarian group the Oath Keepers." So, now they they made a forward step of not calling Oath Keepers a militia, as the court document did, but they took many steps backwards by making anti-totalitarian sound illegal. American was based on the premise of being anti-totalitarian, and now it's a bad thing? So bad that you should not be trusted to keep your children over it?!?

    There is a rally today at the courthouse for any and all to show their support for the First (and Second) Amendment. All support is welcome and needed to Stand for our Rights.

    RALLY FOR THE FIRST (AND SECOND) AMENDMENT!
    Location: Rochester Family Division Court
    Time: 12:00PM Thursday, October 14th

    Update 14-10-2010 18:34 BST (12:34 CST)

    Reports confirm that there are between 30-40 protesters outside the courthouse at the moment.

    Jonathan says that they have printed out a new copy of the affidavit that takes out any mention of the Oathkeepers.

    Update 21:00 BST (15:00 CST)

    Jonathan and Stephanie have won their court case with regards to custody of Baby Cheyenne. Details are sketchy right now but as son as I have a full account I will do a separate article detailing everything.
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    Post  mudra Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:17 pm

    Good news at last.
    I am so happy Jonathan and Stephanie won their court case .
    It shows that in the middle of insanity reason and common sense
    prevailed.
    Thank you so much for covering this metaw.
    I appreciate the Heart you put into it Cheerful

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    Post  newel Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:30 pm

    mudra wrote:Thank you so much for covering this metaw.
    I appreciate the Heart you put into it Cheerful


    That was an emotional roller coaster. Of course that doesn't mean the parents are that good like Carol said. Anyway, here they are:

    Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ce9vlT-ItE

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    Post  mudra Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:03 am

    metaw3 wrote:

    That was an emotional roller coaster. Of course that doesn't mean the parents are that good like Carol said. Anyway, here they are:

    Johnathon Irish, Stephanie and Cheyenne- Reunited

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ce9vlT-ItE

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    So far so good.
    If her parents had'nt stood up for her little Cheyenne would still be in unfriendly hands .
    It's very touching to see them all together again flower

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