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    Where's the proof the Anunaki are Reptilians? Who said that, why and what is their agenda?

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    Post  Floyd Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:02 am

    eMonkey wrote:

    study  cheers

    or is that

    study Hypnotize  Nutbar  Crybaby
    You choose!Wink 
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    Post  Brook Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:36 am

    I for one once again claim to know very little about the Sumerian culture or texts. The Epic of Gilgamesh sound like a cross between the Garden of Eden and Noah's Arc story of the Bible.

    Within mythology there seems to often be reference to genetic engineering.  In fact the Garden of Eden would fit that assumption.

    The mythology and biblical and religious records say;

    first you have a creator God that makes man.

    Then you have an angry God that destroys man to start over again.  

    Somewhere in the mix you have the creations of human/ animal Gods.


    Now that sound very far out until you come to the realization.  That most of what happened then is happening now.

    Example;

    Most ALL of these ancient civilizations were partaking in mind altering drugs.  Opium, Blue Lily, and a whole mix of apothecary.  The ancient Egyptians rarely drank water and usually drank a beer they brewed to avoid sickness. Like it or not that is a mind altering substance.  Along with the many reference to various drugs that were often used in daily life and ritual.


    Today;

    Mind altering substance is a HUGE problem in society today. In all walks of life as well.

    The human/animal hybrid "MYTH" of the ancients is now happening.



    I would only pay attention to the first two minutes from this video as the rest is dodgy assumption.



    And of course why not?  They are genetically modifying food...why not people and animals eh?  

    The Mayans worshiped a lizard God.  So what was that all about?  I know ....it's not Sumerian. But it was a culture with great advance in building that should at least be taken notice of?

    Of course in the Eden Story being tempted by a serpent would fit the bill?  


    Utnapishtim's wife asks her husband to offer a parting gift. Utnapishtim tells Gilgamesh that at the bottom of the sea there lives a boxthorn-like plant that will make him young again. Gilgamesh, by binding stones to his feet so he can walk on the bottom, manages to obtain the plant. He intends to test it on an old man when he returns to Uruk. Unfortunately, when Gilgamesh stops to bathe, it is stolen by a serpent, who sheds its skin as it departs. Gilgamesh weeps at the futility of his efforts, because he has now lost all chance of immortality. He returns to Uruk, where the sight of its massive walls prompts him to praise this enduring work to Urshanabi

    A boxthorn-like plant that will make him young again?  But taken by a serpent?....Losing his chance for immortality....

    So the serpent stole his immortality according to this legend in Myth. Might it have been a genetic altering? Hard to say.

    Lot's to think of when it comes to what exactly they are referring to here in reality.  

    All I know is much of the mythology seems to have some form of relevance as to thing that are occurring now.

    How farfetched is the human hybrid myths of the Greeks?  Not so far fetched as once thought because it's happening now.  Scientists are gathering to extract your consciousness and put it into a cyborg avatar by 2045





    When you stop and think about this....is the reptilian so far fetched?  

    When you stop and think about the areas of cosmic intelligence and

    1) Linearity of the operator observables

    2) Hermiticity of the operator observables

    3) Unitary time evolution

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0203049v2.pdf

    signal nonlocality is the key, the missing link to a proper understanding of consciousness and beyond.

    I know it seems like I went totally of topic here....but I'm simply showing you that the possibility of Myth is not so far fetched.
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    Post  Brook Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:04 am

    And last based on the story's of myth...what if this was in fact true?

    http://fullinsight.com/2012/06/back-from-the-future

    Yikes...Shocked 
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    Post  Brook Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:16 pm

    Stitchen's work fiction or not certainly somewhat flies in the face of Christian religion...and that is a fact.

    I will ad this about Dr. Michael Heiser who perhaps might be a bit biased as his current job is working for a company who's "Mission" is to serve the church. I believe the Church recently came out of the closet so to speak and suggested the possibility of ET's?  Or am I mistaken?

    Michael Heiser also believe ET might be something much more sinister....

    http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/about/about.htm

    Mike has taught over two dozen courses over the span of 15 years of undergraduate teaching. He is currently the Academic Editor at Logos Bible Software in Bellingham, WA. In 2007 the Pacific Northwest region of the Society of Biblical Literature awarded Mike its Regional Scholar award. You can learn more about Dr. Heiser by visiting his homepage or viewing his resume/CV.


    Logos Bible Software Mission:

    Our goal is to be the worldwide leader in electronic tools and resources for multilingual Bible study.

    Our mission is to serve the church.

    We believe that Bible study should be at the heart of the Christian life. It's our privilege to equip pastors, students, missionaries, teachers, and the church at large with tools that make Bible study easier and more accessible. It's our responsibility to ensure that the investment in technology we can afford to make, because we serve the western church, pays dividends for the whole world.

    Our hope is that as you learn more about Logos Bible Software you'll see it not only as the best Bible study tool anywhere, but also as a way to make Bible study resources more accessible to the church in developing countries.

    http://www.logos.com/about/mission

    Home page:

    Mike Heiser is a scholar in the fields of biblical studies and the ancient Near East. He is the Academic Editor of Logos Bible Software. Mike earned the M.A. and Ph.D. in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 2004. He has also earned an M.A. in Ancient History from the University of Pennsylvania (major fields: Ancient Israel and Egyptology).

    Mike's main research interests are Israelite religion (especially Israel’s divine council), biblical theology, ancient Near Eastern religion, biblical & ancient Semitic languages, and ancient Jewish binitarian monotheism. He maintains three blogs: The Naked Bible (biblical studies), PaleoBabble (weird beliefs about antiquity), and UFO Religions (how belief in ETs intersects with religion). He teaches ancient languages online at MEMRA. For more information, see his FAQ and CV.

    http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

    The Facade: Special Edition


    Mike is also well known as the author of his supernatural thriller, The Facade. Mike blends academic biblical scholarship and his knowledge of the ancient world, alternative spiritualities, and the paranormal in The Facade to create an enthralling read.


    As readers of the The Facade already know, one of its plotlines concerns how a genuine ET reality would affect the traditional Judeo-Christian faith and worldview. Another utilizes Mike's academic specialty, the divine council, when the story's characters are confronted with a different question: what if what everyone thought was extraterrestrial is something else much more sinister.


    The divine council...

    http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/HeiserIVPDC.pdf

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    Post  Brook Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:40 pm

    What I did find interesting on the site provided above was a list of Nouns....



    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcslpropnoun.cgi

    Anuna...

    Regularised form - Anuna

    Lemma - a-nun-na

    Type of name - divine name

    Frequency - 182    

    Now scroll down and see if you can find a form of "annunaki"....spelled serveral times as "a-nun-na-ke-e-ne"

    At this link provided from the same program here:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?searchword=l=a-nun-na%20t=DN&charenc=gcirc


    All provided from this link:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/#

    then for experimental purpose try to search Anuna....see what happens

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=anuna&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=


    Then scroll baby scroll!  Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Enki's journey to Nibru: c.1.1.4
    Enlil addressed the Anuna gods: "Great gods who are standing here! Anuna, who have lined up in the Ubšu-unkena! My son, King Enki has built up the temple! He has made Eridug { rise up (?) } { (1 ms. has instead:) come out } from the ground like a mountain! He has built it in a pleasant place, in Eridug, the pure place, where no one is to enter -- a temple built with silver and decorated with lapis lazuli, a house which tunes the seven tigi drums properly, and provides incantations; where holy songs make all of the house a lovely place -- the shrine of the abzu, the good destiny of Enki, befitting the elaborate divine powers; the temple of Eridug, built with silver: for all this, Father Enki be praised!"



    Ninurta's return to Nibru: a šir-gida to Ninurta: c.1.6.1
    Created like An, O son of Enlil, Ninurta, created like Enlil, born by Nintur, mightiest of the Anuna gods, who came forth from the mountain range, imbued with terrible awesomeness, son of Enlil, confident in his strength, my sovereign, you are magnificent -- let your magnificence therefore be praised. Ninurta, you are magnificent -- let your magnificence therefore be praised.

    So....you might just find what you're looking for if you search around that sight enough eh?
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:20 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJ5oZK3alc Nibiru - Annunaki - Planet X Update 2013 - Author and publisher Marshall Masters specializes in Planet X Nibiru and ancient civilizations such as the Annunaki. He discussed an evidence update for an object on the other side of the sun, which could be Planet X Nibiru, and how this ties in with Hopi and other types of prophecy, as well as ancient texts including the Kolbrin Bible. He also related his research to that of the late Zecharia Sitchin known for his '12th Planet' theory, and a US Naval Observatory astronomer named Robert Harrington, who died suddenly after coming forward with information about possibly sighting Planet X Nibiru. The Kolbrin Bible contains an allegory about how a celestial body flies by Earth, creating a large amount of volcanic activity, and leads to the destruction of Atlantis, Masters detailed. The so-called Lost Book of Nostradamus includes a prophecy about a harbinger of doom that will appear in the constellation of Ophiuchus, he continued.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FREEC2CAM

    Masters believes that an "object of interest" captured in webcam photos of the Turrialba Volcano in Costa Rica is possibly a harbinger to the arrival of Planet X Nibiru. He nicknamed the object "Bluebonnet" because of its bluish color and said that it appears before sunset near the ecliptic of the sun. Bluebonnet, he reported, may be planet-sized but can only be observed from high altitudes above the cloud cover during certain times of the day, such as sunset. He further suggested that this object could be the Blue Kachina prophesied by the Hopi that will be followed by a far more destructive Red Kachina. View a related video Masters shared with us.

    The topic of Planet X Nibiru keeps coming back because it's the only thing that explains all the extreme climate changes we've been undergoing, he contended, adding that he's concerned about seabeds rising and falling, and undersea volcanism. While Planet X Nibiru won't hit the Earth, the biggest problem will be its interaction with our sun-- we may see catastrophic earth changes such as the pole shift that Edgar Cayce predicted, Masters warned. Further, he believes Planet X Nibiru could be arriving this year. "2012 was the warm-up band, and 2013 is the headline act," he commented.

    Vatican & ET Disclosure

    First hour guest, biblical prophecy expert Cris Putnam talked about the possibility that the Vatican is preparing for an ET savior. He cited the research being done at the Vatican Astronomical Technology Telescope in Arizona, which may tie in with a Vatican announcement about the existence of ETs, and he also noted that the Vatican astronomers in Arizona are members of the Jesuits, just like the newly elected Pope Francis. In their new book Exo-Vaticana, Putnam, along with with co-author Tom Horn, lay out the case that ET disclosure will part of an end-times deception prophesied in the Bible.


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    Post  Brook Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:07 am

    I'm having far too much fun with this program.  I believe  Dr. Michael Heiser may be mistaken on the word Anunaki and claiming it's not in that program from Oxford.

    I'm learning it most probably is a compound word.

    Check it:

    an-nun-na-ki

    Now...Anuna are the gods as I linked from the program in an earlier post.

    Breaking it down:

    An

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/psl/html/brief/x082.html

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e347.html

    Nun:

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/psl/html/brief/x527.html

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e4450.html

    Na:

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/psl/html/brief/x4dd.html

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e3868.html

    Ki:

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/psl/html/brief/x382.html

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e2898.html


    And Anunaki is listed here as a compound

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslgloss.php?lookup=c217.359&charenc=gcirc&sn=OFF

    http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e2898.html

    So I'm presuming it means Sky gods (prince) man of the earth?


    Far too much fun with this program....LOL
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    Post  mudra Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:55 am

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    Well, that was interesting ... certainly another view of the interpretation of the tablets.

    ...

    Sadly then, I do not see or feel through my own intuition that this is viable evidence or testimony. However, my statement in itself does not say he is wrong..  How can I possibly disprove it?

    I agree Anton Parks' s account is purely subjective EMonkey and not a proof of anything in itself.To his credit he is clear as to how this information came to him and doesn't push it forward as a fact but more as a personal experience.

    From the little research I did since you opened your thread chronologically the first person to assume the Annunaki were a reptilian race is John Rhodes in 1994

    Here is what he asserts in the following article : http://www.reptoids.com/Vault/ArticleClassics/1994RepHuConn.htm

    COLD BLOOD IN ANCIENT SUMERIA

    According to the ancient writings and petroglyphs of the area of our Earth considered to be the cradle of humanity, namely Mesopotamia or Iraq, there existed a god like race of beings that ruled over a region of the Tigris-Euphrates river valley known as Sumeria. This society apparently flourished around 3500 B.C. and was remarkably advanced in their culture. According to their sand pitted records, their rulers or "gods" were humanoid creatures of extraterrestrial origin that descended in magical crafts, or rocket like ships. Their image was cast into history in the form of reptilian-humanoid statuettes that over fired to a green hue color.

    The surviving clay tablets from this area of the world declare that before Homosapiens walked upon the Earth, these "gods" did much of their own manual labor. In order to achieve a higher standard of living, this nonhuman society genetically created a new form of life by mixing their own DNA with that of the evolutionary mammalian man or "Ape-Man." The successful results of this experiment yielded a new breed of worker class known as Homosapiens.

    In the beginning, apparently, these god-like race of beings immensely enjoyed the benefit of having their slaves endure the hardships of manual labor. Excavation, farming, building and mining operations were the toil of this new born race. This labor, however, was not provided willingly. It was forced through the use of severe and ruthless governorship.

    These, not so bright, beings suffered greatly under the firm rule of their strange looking gods and their misery did not go unnoticed by a few of the nonhuman masters. According to the Sumerian tablets, inside the god society, a conspiracy was brewing to free Homo sapiens from their bonds of slavery and teach them the spiritual and scientific knowledge necessary to uplift their essence to a god-like stature. Apparently, the name of this rebellious reptilian being leader was Enlil or Ea.
    And here one can find a translation of the Sumerian tablets :

    Arrow http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/

    From what is asserted above by John Rhodes to what is said below in the Sumerian tablets' s translation everyone make up their own mind study  Wink

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    Post  Brook Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:40 am

    Holy Cow!  Cow 

    ON a side note...

    Somewhere on this forum I posted quite often that during my first "session" I kept smelling AMBER RESIN.  Now of course this was Egyptian based.  But it was a very strong scent which I was quite taken back by.  So strong it overwhelmed me that I was even smelling this scent.  And...during the session I saw a pot with a fire under it burning this resin...which was significant because this room was used for two things.  Mummification and ritual.  There was a large stone block which is another story.

    so check this out:

    Paragraph t217.p44 (line(s) 353-364) Click line no. for paragraph-aligned layout of transliteration and translation.
    353. u5 bur3 eše3-še3 iri mu-na-kug-ge
    354. u5 mu-na-sikil-e
    355. liĝiš u2 sikil kur-ra-kam izi-a bi2-si-si
    356. šim erin ir-sim diĝir-ra-kam i3-bi2-bi mu-du3
    357. ud sizkur2-ra mu-na-a-ĝal2
    358. ĝi6 šudu3-de3 mu-na-zal-e
    359. da-[nun-na] ki lagaški
    360. e2 dnin-ĝir2-su-ka du3-de3
    361. gu3-de2-a sizkur2 ra2-/zu\-[(X)]
    362. mu-da-an-šu4-šu4-ge-eš2
    363. sipad zid gu3-de2-a ḫul2-la-gin7
    364. im-ma-na-ni-ib2-ĝar

    da-[nun-na] ki  = DA is:  da [V] (DA)    verb part of multiword verb


    The da would indicate a compound word as well....describing the Anuna gods as a multiword verb from ki...a place.

    Translation:

    The citizens were purifying an area of 24 iku for him, they were cleansing that area for him. He put juniper, the mountains' pure plant, onto the fire and raised smoke with cedar resin, the scent of gods. For him the day was for praying, and the night passed for him in supplications. In order to build the house of Ninĝirsu, the Anuna gods of the land of Lagaš stood by Gudea in prayer and supplication, and all this made the true shepherd Gudea extremely happy.


    Cedar Resin IS Amber resin.

    Cedar of Lebanon cone showing flecks of resin as used in the mummification of Egyptian Pharaohs.

    From the compound Anuna-ki here:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslgloss.php?lookup=c217.359&charenc=gcirc&fp=ON


    Okay...I'm sufficiently tripping now.  Huh ?


    On another side note I found some pretty interesting reference on that translation site for you to research eMonkey.  I have to go to work now but will share it later.
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    Post  eMonkey Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:45 pm

    Great finds Mudra and Brook.

    I've had to stop for the evening cos I find I'm trying to read stuff and the words just are not registering any-more.... Hypnotize 

    I did come across on my research on ORMES recently about another reference to the word anu.
    It is used in Sanskrit to describe the atom and subatomic particles or waves, figured out by yogi's 2500BC.
    So quite literally they are describing something happening in the sub-atomic inner space - where it has been inferred from some texts that this is the location of god and Anu is the oldest word for god. These ancient Indians describe it something like a 'wave of Supreme Intelligence that vibrates at the heart of all matter'.
    This is what physics is re-discovering today.. yet it was known about when we were supposed to be living in caves.


    Anu (Sanskrit) As a noun, an atom of matter; as an adjective, atomic, fine, minute. A title of Brahma, conceived as both infinitesimal and universal, thus pointing to the pantheistic character of divinity. Hence, every anu is "a centre of potential vitality, with latent intelligence in it" (SD 1:567; cf FSO 273-5, 431). In the Bhagavad-Gita (8:9) Arjuna is enjoined to meditate on the "seer," i.e., the enlightened, omniscient One, who is "more atomic than the atom" (anor aniyamsam) and yet "the supporter of all" (cf VP 1:2, 5:1; ChU 3:14, 3-4, Katha 2:20, MU 3:1,

    Anu (Chaldean) Supreme god of the Babylonian pantheon, king of angels and spirits, ruler of destiny, lord of the city of Erech or Uruk -- later Ur. One of the loftiest of Babylonian divinities, part of a trinity with Enlil and Ea, he was especially the god of heaven, creator of star spirits and of the demons of cold, rain, and darkness. His consort Antum or Anatum was mother of the gods. Anu was the concealed deity; in the Chaldean account of Genesis, he is the passive deity, however, "the primordial chaos, the god time and world at once, chronos, and kosmos, the uncreated matter issued from the one and fundamental principle of all things" (IU 2:423).
    A Higher Physics View of the Ultimate Atom

    https://soraj.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/atom-smasher-a-buddhist-response/ wrote:
    In Buddhism there is a theory of the composition of matter, which can be found in the Abhidharma. It is said that that matter is composed of some very tiny particles and it is the arrangement of these particles that lead to the formation of the ordinary objects that we know, such as tables, chairs, stars and so on.

    It is said in the Pali Abhidhammattha-Sanghaha, or the Manual of Abhidhamma, one of the key texts in Theravada Buddhism, that ordinary material objects are composed of very tiny paramanu. The text describes this as follows:

    It should be noted that the atomic theory prevailed in India in the time of the Buddha. Paramanu was the ancient term for the modern atom. According to the ancient belief one ratharenu consists of 16 tajjaris, one tajjari, 16 anus; one anu, 16 paramanus. The minute particles of dust seen dancing in the sunbeam are called ratharenus. One paramanu is, therefore, 4096th part of a ratharenu. This paramanu was considered indivisible (A Manual of Abhidhamma or Abhidhammatha-Sanghaha, p. 318).


    Is this relevant you may ask - yup ..  but not to the question of "were reptillians the anunaki".

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    Post  Brook Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:51 am

    Have a bit of morning time here so I'll leave you with some reading to consider and possibly formulate a conclusion.

    Leaving some links here.  The first is a series of words and their meaning/translation

    A-Z :

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcsllemma.php?sortbylemma=lemma&letter=a

    List of abbreviations of proper nouns

       DN = divine name
       EN = ethnic name
       GN = geographical name
       MN = month name
       ON = other name
       PN = personal name
       RN = royal name
       SN = settlement name
       TN = temple name
       WN = watercourse name

    Proper nouns:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcslpropnoun.cgi

    If you click on the specific word it will take you to passages and then you can click on the functions to get the translations.

    Now here are a few I found.  Of course the word Reptilian is not in the vocabulary.  But non the less there are some interesting passages which I will provide links to here.  

    First Anuna :

    tcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=anuna&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    If you want to get to each specific passage you will have to access two other pages.  First the literal passage then click the number on that page and it will take you to the passages.

    So no Reptilian but using dragon and snake I found these passsages:

    Passages with the word dragon:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=dragon&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    Snake:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=snake&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    Horned Viper:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=horned+viper&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslgloss.php?lookup=c4073.167&charenc=gcirc&fp=ON

    Viper:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=viper&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=


    Appearance:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=creation&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    Dumuzid and Ĝeštin-ana: c.1.4.1.1
    Utu accepted his tears. He changed his hands, he altered his appearance. Then like a saĝkal snake that slithers across the meadows and mountains, like a soaring falcon that can swoop down on a live (?) bird, Dumuzid escaped alive to the dwelling of his sister Ĝeštin-ana. Ĝeštin-ana looked at her brother. She scratched at her cheek: she scratched at her nose. She looked at her sides: she …… her garment. She recited a lament of misfortune for the unfortunate lad: "O my brother! O my brother, lad who has not fulfilled those days! O my brother, shepherd Ama-ušumgal-ana, lad who has not fulfilled those days and years! O my brother, lad who has no wife, who has no children! O my brother, lad who has no friend, who has no companion! O my brother, the lad who is not a comfort (?) to his mother!"

    Dumuzid and Ĝeštin-ana: c.1.4.1.1
    The lad raises his hands heavenward to Utu: "O Utu, I am your friend, I am a youth. Do you recognise me? Your sister, whom I married, descended to the underworld. Because she descended to the underworld, it was me that she was to hand over to the underworld as a substitute. O Utu, you are a just judge, don't disappoint me! Change my hands, alter my appearance, so that I may escape the clutches of my demons! Don't let them seize me! Like a saĝkal snake that slithers across the meadows and mountains, let me escape alive to the dwelling of my sister Ĝeštin-ana."

    The lament for Urim: c.2.2.2
    Its gudug priest no longer walks in his wig, how is your heart ……! Its en priestess no longer lives in the ĝipar, now how do you exist? In the uzga shrine the priest who cherishes purification rites makes no purification rites for you. Father Nanna, your išib priest does not make perfect holy supplications to you. Your lumaḫ priest does not dress in linen in your holy giguna shrine. Your righteous en priestess chosen in your ardent heart, she of the E-kiš-nu-ĝal, does not proceed joyously from the shrine to the ĝipar. The aua priests do not celebrate the festivals in your house of festivals. They do not play for you the šem and ala instruments which gladden the heart, nor the tigi. The black-headed people do not bathe during your festivals. Like …… mourning has been decreed for them; their appearance has indeed changed.

    Letter from Išbi-Erra to Ibbi-Suen about the purchase of grain: c.3.1.17
    May An, Enlil and Enki, who have loved Ibbi-Suen from the womb, look upon him approvingly. …… is indeed placed there; they have changed (?) their appearance. With the …… and (?) the city-gates of Urim opening, they cry "Aee!" If …… says," Who is my lord?" -- You are the king to whom Enlil has given …… no rival!

    Now I don't know where the spelling of nibiru came from but here Nibru:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=Nibru&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=


    Slave:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=slave&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

    A man and his god:

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.5.2.4&display=Crit&charenc=&lineid=t524.p14#t524.p14

    Enki and Ninḫursaĝa

    http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.1.1&display=Crit&charenc=gcirc&lineid=t111.p11#t111.p11


    Praise be to Father Enki....Shocked 


    Enki invents stronger Beer?

    Enki's journey to Nibru: c.1.1.4
    He directed his steps on his own to Nibru and entered the temple terrace, the shrine of Nibru. Enki reached for (?) the beer, he reached for (?) the liquor. He had liquor poured into big bronze containers, and had emmer-wheat beer pressed out (?). In kukuru containers which make the beer good he mixed beer-mash. By adding date-syrup to its taste (?), he made it strong. He …… its bran-mash.

    Some pretty wily gods I'll give them that!

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    Post  Brook Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:08 pm

    Okay, I give up.  I can't find anything that connects reptilians with this.  Noting I've not read much of the material in any completeness that would suggest this.  Did Stitchen suggest they were reptilian?  I've noted that he suggests giants but not reptilian that I've run across.

    I've found suggested shape shifting gods...

    "Utu accepted his tears. He changed his hands, he altered his appearance. Then like a saĝkal snake that slithers across the meadows and mountains..."


    But remember the mind altering substance that was prolifically used.  So that would go in the category of "subjective".  Also the observer effect might come into play which might alter perception.

    All that being said, there are several areas of research to suggest reptilians in observation may have existed.  But I've not found any in the Sumerian Annunaki gods thus far.

    Edit to add;

    I do believe there is plenty of evidence to suggest genetic engineering.
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    Post  devakas Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:18 pm


    meat eating, anger against humanity, all living beings I guess is a symptom
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    Post  Brook Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:39 pm

    devakas wrote:
    meat eating, anger against humanity, all living beings I guess is a symptom

    Mind altering substance is plant based.

    Opium has been actively collected since prehistoric times, and may be the soma plant ubiquitously mentioned in the Rig Veda. Though western scholars typically date the text at 1500 BCE, Indian scholars maintain that the verses and the history contained in them have been orally transmitted thousands of years before. Soma is Vedic Sanskrit for moon, describing both the shape of the bulb and its nocturnal juice emission, which in ancient times would have been visible by moonlight only. A common name for males in Afghanistan is "Redey", which in Pashto means "poppy". This term may be derived from the Sanskrit words rddhi and hrdya, which mean "magical", "a type of medicinal plant", and "heart-pleasing", respectively. The upper South Asian belt of Afghanistan, Pakistan, northern India, and Burma still account for the world's largest supply of opium.

    The first known cultivation of opium poppies was in Mesopotamia, approximately 3400 BCE, by Sumerians, who called the plant hul gil, the "joy plant". Tablets found at Nippur, a Sumerian spiritual center south of Baghdad, described the collection of poppy juice in the morning and its use in production of opium. Cultivation continued in the Middle East by the Assyrians, who also collected poppy juice in the morning after scoring the pods with an iron scoop; they called the juice aratpa-pal, possibly the root of Papaver. Opium production continued under the Babylonians and Egyptians.


    Soma (Sanskrit सोम sóma), or Haoma (Avestan), from Proto-Indo-Iranian *sauma-, was a Vedic ritual drink of importance among the early Indo-Iranians, and the subsequent Vedic and greater Persian cultures. It is frequently mentioned in the Rigveda, whose Soma Mandala contains 114 hymns, many praising its energizing qualities. In the Avesta, Haoma has the entire Yašt 20 and Yasna 9-11 dedicated to it.

    It is described as being prepared by extracting juice from the stalks of a certain plant. In both Vedic and Zoroastrian tradition, the name of the drink and the plant are the same, and the three forming a religious or mythological unity.

    The Rigveda calls the plant "God for Gods" seemingly giving him precedence above Indra and the other Gods.

    Rigveda 1.32, composed by Rishi Hiranyastupa Angirasa, is one of the most important pieces of vedic epic poetry. It relates the heroic deeds of Indra, prince of the gods, who slew the snake-demon Vritra (from the root "vri", to encompass), liberated the heavenly kine and made the seven streams of Sindhu flow. Hiranyastupa's hymn consists of fifteen ricas (double verses) in trishtubh metre, which is perhaps the most noble and majestic of all vedic metres.


    In the early Vedic religion, Vritra (Vṛtra वृत्र "the enveloper"), is an Asura and also a serpent or dragon, the personification of drought and enemy of Indra. Vritra was also known in the Vedas as Ahi ("snake"). He appears as a dragon blocking the course of the rivers and is heroically slain by Indra.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vritra


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium
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    Post  Floyd Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:14 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:You make some valid points, Floyd. It is very difficult to KNOW anything for certain regarding antiquity and other worlds. It's difficult to KNOW what the truth is when we read the newspaper or watch the evening news. I've been treating most of what we discuss as being science-fiction which might contain bits and pieces of truth. Everything seems to end up being a business -- and business is often based upon deception.

    There will always be people who think they they have all the answers even when they have no concrete evidence to back  up various claims. Clearly it must be a question of faith for such people. I often feel that  people who need to shout loud and hard about their religious beliefs may suffer from a deep self doubt concerning the  veracities of their faith. It is almost as if they are convincing only themselves. After all, to realise one has wasted a lifetime believing in nonsense can be catastrophic for some.

    Yes I agree many of these 'religions' are based on business and deception. Is that not the business of religion?

    It is indeed very difficult to know anything for certain regarding antiquity Oxy.  The good news is, however, with pseudo scientists like Sitchin contributing to the melee of misinformation, it is fairly easy to know what is not the case.

    @eMonkey. Are you suggesting that with Sitchin being a Mason,  his fictionalised account of human history and pseudo astronomy  was a deliberate contribution to a greater farce or do you think he genuinely believed in his miscalculations? I agree any form of channeled material is not reliable evidence regarding anything, least of all the translation of words in ancient languages. How much nonsense have we heard from various alleged contactees, prophets and channelers?

    There have been suggestions for example that the alleged prophet Mohammad was an epilectic schizoid yet his religion flourishes on a massive scale in a variety of formats all over the globe.

    Perhaps it is easier to 'design' new religions in the modern age but will, in one thousand years from now, the religion of alienism or ascenionism be as popular as Islam or other religions are  now? Will, in the future, thousands pay faithful homage to the channelers of our day. Perhaps in grand cathedrals where the image of nordic blonde aliens and ufos will take the place of the cross and the christ and the virgin. The spread of Indian demigods will be redundant as will the prophecies of Islam and the bible? Ancient relics of a primitive religion.

    Perhaps if Planet X and its lizard folk return we will know with a greater degree of certainty. I will not be waiting for such an event however. I feel there are more pressing concerns.

    In the meantime there is an abundant supply of people who apparently are certain of the origins of everything. It does sell well in alternative circles but im not sure if these people have the longevity of say a Christ or a Buddha for example. Even David Icke was a prophet you know. In his early days.

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    or is that annu annu lol. If Mork said it it must be true right?
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    Post  magamud Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:06 pm

    You cant be binary with extraterrestrials Floyd.  They exist or they don't.  Thats ridiculous right?  There is enough proof to at least extrapolate what our relationship to it can be.

    We have mythologies of antiquity for every culture.  

    "Ancient relics of a primitive religion."
    Your not identifying our relationship to Myth, to theGods and extraterrestrials, an evolved position, less allowing someone to do so or be free and on their way...  So your trying to throw it all out, imprison it and lock it up in solitary confinement.  Well that will be the next Religion for the next millenia to answer your question.  

    "Perhaps if Planet X"
    You dont even want to be concerned that we could be wiped out by a Foreign Body?  Even though there is numerous text of antiquity reporting a cycle and planets being pounded by asteroids everywhere and no less next to the Kuniper belt.  Is it not strange that this Planet is not bombarded by asteroids?  Earth is the only pristine balance that can hold life.

    "In the meantime."
    Your pissed that we cant even stop the wars or feed our people and people are watching mork and mindy.  I get it...
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    Post  orthodoxymoron Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:27 am

    The thoughts I've thought regarding life, the universe, and everything -- throughout my life -- have literally scared the hell out of me -- regardless of whether any of it has been true, or not. The past five years have all but destroyed me. The possibilities and speculations have been quite vivid and realistic. My views of the way things might be are constructed with bits and pieces from a thousand sources, and several key individuals. I've fallen so far down the rabbit-hole, that I don't wish to go any farther right now -- or perhaps for the rest of my life. I'm not going to try to convince anyone of anything -- other than to finish refining and editing what I've already posted on this site. I think that most everything is a mixture of truth and poppycock -- but beneath the surface, there is a unified truth, which someone does not wish to become mainstream. I fear whoever that 'someone' is -- and what their agenda for Earth and Humanity might be. I also fear what I might become if I were to somehow replace that 'someone'. I might become a helluva lot worse than I think they might be. The Management of Humanity Might be Insanity Regardless of Who Rules and Regardless of How They Rule. I'm frankly trying to look at Solar System Governance from a Progressive and Regressive Point of View. I think this thing might be more complex and messy that we can possibly imagine. True-Believers and Doubting-Thomas's might both have very red faces in the very near future. Just keep thinking of ALL the possibilities -- regardless of how politically-incorrect and socially-unacceptable they might seem to be.
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    Post  SiriArc Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:53 am

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    Post  eMonkey Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:59 am

    Brook wrote:Okay, I give up.  I can't find anything that connects reptilians with this.

    Yes, I can't say I'm convinced either and after all my research and from all of you people in the mists as well as others, I have come to the conclusion that, it is all B.S. The Anunaki were not reptilian, neither did Sitchin say so.

    Here is where my thinking is at. The Anunaki may have started something and later some other ET races either Native to here or not took interest. It is their (the reptilians) presence that has corrupted the flawed thinking of those LSD takers or conspiracy theorists with some wacked out ideas or of low IQ that followed like lemmings when someone suggested Reptilians = Anunaki.

    The carvings in stone throughout the ages depict human like figures either as giants or not, with elongated skulls or not, but few were with reptilian features showing perhaps that they had minor influence. I'm sorry, I have to call it like common sense and the available evidence shows..

    Hmmm, here is a thought, perhaps the Anunaki were reptilian and other races, human looking, took interest and then dominated folklore and had a bigger hand in our development... So who then do we have to thank for our genetics? Nahhh..... I'm not going to go there, my instincts tell me this notion is wrong.

    I still remain open minded so if anyone has SOLID evidence - post it here. No more speculation.
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    Post  eMonkey Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:01 am


    Ta muchly Obiwan..
    Bookmarked, I'll look into it.. just not now..
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    Post  eMonkey Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:04 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:The thoughts I've thought regarding life, the universe, and everything -- throughout my life -- have literally scared the hell out of me -- regardless of whether any of it has been true, or not. The past five years have all but destroyed me. The possibilities and speculations have been quite vivid and realistic. My views of the way things might be are constructed with bits and pieces from a thousand sources, and several key individuals. I've fallen so far down the rabbit-hole, that I don't wish to go any farther right now -- or perhaps for the rest of my life. I'm not going to try to convince anyone of anything -- other than to finish refining and editing what I've already posted on this site. I think that most everything is a mixture of truth and poppycock -- but beneath the surface, there is a unified truth, which someone does not wish to become mainstream.

    cheers 

    Good luck with your research with your Solar System Governance..
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    Post  magamud Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:57 am

    We are not dealing with flesh and blood we are dealing with principalities.

    This is prior in first extrapolating what oppresses us. If one gets caught up in the appearances you give power to the Matrix. Such as we see with all the infighting on what color it is or exopoliticians in general. Then all the good ones trying to think on cosmic terms get persecuted by the atheist scientist to disregard the whole process in general. And people are conceding. People just want to have a firm foundation to stand on. The answer lies in understanding what is the Son of God. What does it mean when the all Father manifests in flesh and blood. How does this interact with consciousness in general.
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    Post  SiriArc Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:50 am

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    Post  eMonkey Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:26 am

    Holy cow Obiwan.. You're really into this stuff...

    Still reading.. But much of it I've already read or researched. Some new nuggets there bounce 

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    Post  mudra Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:49 am

    I love it you call Siri Obiwan eMonkey
    Thank you for the smile this brings in my heart I love you 

    Love from me
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